tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post1480349081793186750..comments2024-03-28T23:03:57.917-04:00Comments on Doux Reviews: Game of Thrones: Breaker of ChainsBillie Douxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17141769005175631213noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-74485168540271236422014-04-29T19:50:19.641-04:002014-04-29T19:50:19.641-04:00@sunnybunny - Thanks for the clarification. A lot ...@sunnybunny - Thanks for the clarification. A lot of what I've read online hasn't mention that there <i>is</i> dubious consent in the scene. I did know that the chapter in question was from Jamie's POV.<br /><br />One thing that I forgot to mention is that some of the books!fans seem to expect the show to happen exactly as it has in the novels. Nevermind that enough has been changed (in the transition to the show) to make GoT a kind of alternate version of the book series.Lucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05612987173174005233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-47852153611879701402014-04-28T20:44:41.302-04:002014-04-28T20:44:41.302-04:00Luce (and others who haven't read the books) -...Luce (and others who haven't read the books) - the rape scene does not represent a total switch from the scene in the books. In the books, Jaime makes advances towards Cersei and she says "No" repeatedly. There are indications that her refusals might be because there are people just outside the door, but she does initially refuse him. Some readers viewed the scene as a rape, some did not. It certainly didn't have the level of violence shown in the episode, but there were issues regarding whether Cersei consented or not. In the ASoIaF books, each chapter has a different narrator. The chapter with the altar scene was narrated by Jaime which may have influenced the way that story was told (i.e. maybe he didn't consider it to be a rape, but Cersei did).sunbunnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08553429350476841139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-85907590942672734292014-04-28T20:30:25.517-04:002014-04-28T20:30:25.517-04:00I might be wrong, but I think that part of the out...I might be wrong, but I think that part of the outrage regarding <i>the scene</i> in this episode is that it's a total 180 from the way is depicted in the book. Though it's true that the show's kept certain events/plot twists from the original canon, there's a lot that TPTB of the show threw in. At least that's what I've heard from friends of mine who have read the books (I haven't).<br /><br />IMHO, Cersai and Jamie already had more than enough obstacles and/or points of tension: the death and murder of their first born, Cersai's jealousy of Brienne's relationship with Jamie, Jamie's own sense of self after acknowledging (through his interactions away from King's Landing) that he does have some noble emotions deep inside of himself, Jamie attempting to reconnect with Cersai without any success (because the Jamie who came back to King's Landing after all that time isn't "her" Jamie), Cersai's insecurity at the potential of seeing Jamie and Tyrion becoming allies, etc.<br /><br />To me, it was a very cheap move, unworthy of this show.<br /><br />ION, I do like new!Dario better than old!Dario. The one thing that does make my eyes roll, however, is the obvious romance that the show's building between him and Dany. :-/Lucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05612987173174005233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-24874784807158782222014-04-28T17:23:33.159-04:002014-04-28T17:23:33.159-04:00Juliette, I also love Jorah, so maybe that's t...Juliette, I also love Jorah, so maybe that's the pattern.<br /><br />Jess, I actually think you may be right in what you're saying, and it may be the deviation from the book that's so jarring, considering the kind of sexual violence we're dealing with in the Jaime/Cersei scene. It wasn't a loving scene by any means, but I never got "rape" from it, and in the show it so clearly was. It may also have something to do with the fact that the director isn't all that convinced that what he filmed <i>was</i> rape, I guess.<br /><br />And yeah, Littlefinger is a creepy creepster, but I like him just like that.Beahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17467874879087906333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-57446197857833365352014-04-27T11:36:36.343-04:002014-04-27T11:36:36.343-04:00I like new Daario better than old Daario. Less boy...I like new Daario better than old Daario. Less boyband-bland and more like a warrior.<br />Ugh the scene with Cersei and Jaime..just don't try to make it sound like something other than rape producers-it was. If you were aiming for sexually aggressive but consensual you missed by a mile. See Buffy and Spike at the end of "Smashed" for aggressive but consensual stuff. Maybe it helps that Buffy starts it. And yes, that relationship was beyond messed up and ended with an attempted rape, but at least the powers that be knew what they were doing with it. <br />Sigh, rant over.<br />Also, poor Tyrion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-73109172047002037522014-04-25T14:41:09.264-04:002014-04-25T14:41:09.264-04:00Bea, you're not the only one, I can't stan...Bea, you're not the only one, I can't stand Daario! Though that might be because I love Jorah (either version).Juliettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00203399623895589924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-72607576645472310872014-04-25T12:38:59.299-04:002014-04-25T12:38:59.299-04:00I think a lot of the outrage is because they took ...I think a lot of the outrage is because they took something that wasn't a rape (per many readers) and turned it into a rape for the show. It was jarring to many, and as some others have noted, it derails or delays the redemption work they'd started with Jaime. <br /><br />But I have to agree that I found it more of a perplexing adaptation choice, than an unbelievable character move for Show Jaime. We've seen Jaime do numerous terrible things, and he was completely in the frame of mind here where he would believably snap, backslide, and do something awful. Or is so desperate to get back some small bit of his old life that he'd take it by force. He's pulling a Don Draper, in a sense. You think he's starting to turn the corner, and then he slips back into old, familiar, bad patterns. We'll just have to see if the complete horror of this latest transgression is a rock bottom that pushes him back on the road to redemption. Or if he's just going to wallow in awfulness and misery.<br /><br />It is funny that you were all fixated on Littlefinger's accent, because all I could focus on in those scenes was how uncomfortably close he was to Sansa's face. Back off, dude! You are so hella creepy!Jess Lyndehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165015932507376656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-7234425746218930022014-04-25T12:29:50.782-04:002014-04-25T12:29:50.782-04:00Uh, so I guess I'm the only one not into Daari...Uh, so I guess I'm the only one not into Daario at all? It's not the actor, is the character I can't stand. Even from the books, I always thought that it was a weird choice of person for Dany to keep around/obviously feel attracted to. The men she has surrounded herself with, and the man she loved, have some kind of wisdom and a whole lot of honor. I just don't see what she gets from a classical cheeky guy who winks and happens to be good with a sword. Maybe is just that the character really puts me off, I guess.<br /><br />The Jaime scene really affected me, actually. I never thought, not from the show or the books, that Jaime was ultimetely easily defined as "a good guy", but I do feel that he had a very personal kind of moral compass. Last seasons gave us a perfect monologue in his voice, with almost a confession of his sins and his reasons behind it, and if didn't make him "a hero", it made him a very understandable human put in a very bad place. Raping his sister, whom he loves despite Cersei being... well, <i>Cersei</i>, did seem like a stretch to me, possibly because a lot what he's done in the past that's so bad (including the Bran thing) has been <i>for</i> Cersei.Beahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17467874879087906333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-75751902100332906512014-04-25T10:01:58.673-04:002014-04-25T10:01:58.673-04:00I'm so glad you all mentioned Littlefinger'...I'm so glad you all mentioned Littlefinger's accent, which seemed much stronger to me, too--but I thought either I was going crazy or the actor had forgotten how to speak like Littlefinger. (Jaime, for instance, sounds more and more American to me with each passing episode.)<br /><br />Maybe Irish is the accent of that tiny patch of Westeros that Littlefinger is from.Josie Kafkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17892717530356699008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-65161210494655211872014-04-25T09:39:04.326-04:002014-04-25T09:39:04.326-04:00I'm very surprised by the huge controversy sur...I'm very surprised by the huge controversy surrounding the Cercei-Jamie rape scene. It was extremely creepy and uncomfortable to watch, but not that much of a stretch. <br /><br />Jamie has been back in King's Landing for a few weeks, and Cersei has been giving him the cold shoulder all this time. Tywin has dismissed him as well. The only one in his family who still loves him is Tyrion - and now, Cersei wants Jamie to kill him. When the scene started, Cersei was manipulating Jamie, kissing him and arousing him to get him to kill Tyrion. Then she stops - that's when Jamie goes over the edge and takes her. I'm not saying his actions are justified, but I think this result is not surprising. It does put a huge stain on his "redemption" arc of last season, that's for sure. <br /><br />I think it shocked and angered a lot of people because he was seen as one of the very few "good" guys left in the series. Who do we have left as an all-around good, honorable force, other than Brienne? <br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05361803670542670334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-14791354752965569062014-04-25T05:47:28.869-04:002014-04-25T05:47:28.869-04:00I thought the Irish thing was just my imagination ...I thought the Irish thing was just my imagination because it's been so long since we've seen him. I guess not.Freemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11265555641080269765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-4530751743518447292014-04-25T05:35:07.067-04:002014-04-25T05:35:07.067-04:00I'm glad it wasn't just me noticed Littlef...I'm glad it wasn't just me noticed Littlefinger getting more Irish! It's a bit annoying that he gets more Irish as he gets more evil, but, well, this episode had bigger problems so I guess we can let it lie for now...Juliettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00203399623895589924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-82292535054054829982014-04-25T03:29:06.381-04:002014-04-25T03:29:06.381-04:00Ok, yeah I like the new Daario. Very roguish and c...Ok, yeah I like the new Daario. Very roguish and charming. The wink and the kill was a nice touch. At this point though it just kinda seems like Dany may as well just stay over there and rule. She's already freed like three large kingdoms and Westeros is honestly kind of a dump that doesn't seem worth the headache. But birthright and all that I guess.<br /><br />Ya know, I spent all last episode wondering where Littlefinger was, but then when the episode ended I totally forgot he was a factor. Probably one of the most dangerous factors really. Most of the crazy events in the show seemed to be influenced by him in quite a significant way. I'm surprised no one's put him down just as a precaution. Though I guess he keeps it on the down-low.<br /><br />I don't feel Jaime's actions were some particularly surprising twist. I mean, the man did push a little boy out of a tower in the very beginning of the show. A person's nature doesn't just go away like that. Freemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11265555641080269765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-54782475600697956422014-04-25T01:16:27.393-04:002014-04-25T01:16:27.393-04:00Great review, Heather!
I think Tommen is supposed...Great review, Heather!<br /><br />I think Tommen is supposed to be about twelve or thirteen or so in the show. Show!Joffrey was apparently around seventeen or eighteen.<br /><br />Also I really loved the Daario/Dany moments and I think I have seriously jumped on board that ship entirely. I didn't like the previous Daario but I LOVE LOVE LOVE new!Daario. I'm really looking forward to seeing him on Orphan Black as well.<br /><br />AND YAY FOR BAELISH! I've missed Littlefinger immensely, even if he sounds more Irish now that he's revealed his dastardly plot.<br /><br />Also I'm loving the return of Pyp, Grenn and Edd.<br />morgan indiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07633124041567701073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-3976443801823522012014-04-24T23:51:30.020-04:002014-04-24T23:51:30.020-04:00Great review, Heather!
Per usual, no one in King...Great review, Heather! <br /><br /><i>Per usual, no one in King’s Landing wastes any time on tragedy (though Joffre’s character flaws may have, uh, lessened the overall grief).</i> <br /><br />I think that's exactly it: no one is grieving Joffrey, but some people might wind up in grievous circumstances because of that death. :-)<br /><br />...<br /><br />OMG, did I just put a smiley face next to a sentence about a dead child and terrible circumstances? What has <i>GoT</i> done to me?Josie Kafkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17892717530356699008noreply@blogger.com