tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post2680991769265859584..comments2024-03-28T17:08:01.559-04:00Comments on Doux Reviews: Game of Thrones: The Watchers on the WallBillie Douxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17141769005175631213noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-92041263647357345142017-08-11T02:02:27.833-04:002017-08-11T02:02:27.833-04:00That was an epic battle, and I enjoyed it. Now tha...That was an epic battle, and I enjoyed it. Now that Ygritte is dead, I assert that the series did a lousy job of creating her as a strong foil (and educator and lover) to Jon. Yes, I read the books, but 15 years ago so I don't remember them much. But one thing I do remember is JRRM did a great job of building the Jon/Ygritte relationship and I was really bummed when she was killed. When she died in this ep, it just didn't matter to me. And while the death scene was okay, it was a bit long and somewhat incredible in the middle of the battle. I suppose you could argue that the Watch had the Wildings on the run so the action had moved away from where they were, but whatever. <br /><br />Anyway, I agree that this was a superbly produced episode, and I very much enjoyed it. I just think that previous episodes this season didn't do enough to set this up well. Steve S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-32159372696257440482014-06-16T06:41:22.962-04:002014-06-16T06:41:22.962-04:00I'm partly reserving judgment until I've s...I'm partly reserving judgment until I've seen the finale, because my main gripe with this episode was that it spent ages setting up (character moments are usually great, but I could have lived without Jon Snow's Sex Education Class) and then stopped - let's say before I was expecting it to. I'll need to see it in the context of the whole season to know how much I like it I think!Juliettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00203399623895589924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-63478959068328075272014-06-15T14:32:18.076-04:002014-06-15T14:32:18.076-04:00Loved the episode right up to and until Ygritte...Loved the episode right up to and until Ygritte's death. How very convenient that both time and the battle seemed to stop just to give Jon some time to cradle her in his arms. I love romance, but this was a bit meh.<br /><br />And what about that ending. Jon, what what what are you DOING, abandoning your castle unarmed right when Castle Black needs every man they still have? Does that happen in the books? I've read them but for the life of me can't remember. paivihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08527725293560541891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-2708986488363121862014-06-11T17:29:28.953-04:002014-06-11T17:29:28.953-04:00Count me in the "loved this episode" cam...Count me in the "loved this episode" camp. That shot of the battle at Castle Black exhausted me just watching it, so I hate to think what having to do it 7 times must have been like for the actors!<br /><br />The other money shot for me was the spectacular swoop across the castle, over the wall and to the wildlings on the other side. Cinematic or what?<br /><br />We were so engrossed in the story that when the mammoth was hit by the flaming barrel, my partner said "Poor mammoth, they set his arse on fire". I had to reply "It's not a <b>real</b> mammoth, dear." The whole battle felt like it stayed very true to the books as well.<br /><br />My only fear is that they have too much to fit into the final episode. The battle at the wall is not ended, especially if they intend to add the same twist as in the book. Added to that is the whole Tyrion storyline to finish, and I will be most disappointed if we at least don't drop in on Arya and the Hound, Brienne and Pod, and Dany and her dragons. That's a hell of a lot to fit into one hour of television, so what are they going to hold over until the next season?Otherwyrldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02506842114953905519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-84595779411616467542014-06-11T12:08:27.987-04:002014-06-11T12:08:27.987-04:00Thanks, Nick. Now corrected. Thanks, Nick. Now corrected. Mark Greighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12984193299389764649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-5928856411882001972014-06-11T11:31:59.468-04:002014-06-11T11:31:59.468-04:00I'm glad you liked this one, because I loved i...I'm glad you liked this one, because I loved it, and I've been disappointed to see some of the negative reviews coming from regular GoT reviewers. Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I've just found those opinions bizarre in this case!<br /><br />I'm not sure if I should say "as a book reader" first, but I loved pretty much everything about this. I think for me one of the reasons it worked a lot better than Blackwater, from a purely technical perspective, is that it sold the scale a lot better. The limitations of TV made Blackwater seem very small - while still being beautifully put together - but in this case knowing that one side <i>was</i> very small, combined with the excellent establishing shots of the Wall and Castle Black, managed to make the whole thing feel pretty big. I was also thrilled to see giants and mammoths involved.<br /><br />I was sad to see Grenn and Pyp go, not because they're alive in the books (it's been a little while since I read the books, so I genuinely wasn't sure if they died during this battle or had actually died earlier or what). I knew there were several other 'named' Watch characters that the show has cut, and Grenn got the role of one of them. I was just sad to see them go because I liked the characters and liked the actors, and thought they (and Dolorous Edd, who thankfully lived through) added something to the Wall that's going to be missing next season.<br /><br />[Tangentially: Freeman, I really can't recall if the chef in the books is a significant character who might be brought in, but I was basically thinking the same thing about him in that battle. The way the camera briefly focused on him I wondered if it was actually a cameo of someone on the crew or something along those lines. It just seemed like an odd little aside]<br /><br />As for the Anon. above and book readers vs. the show this season, my problem with it here and there has not been that changes have been made, but just the nature of those changes. Sometimes changes make sense for pragmatic reasons (cutting the number of characters in a storyline or actors being unavailable; see Wilko Johnson who is hopefully now recovering from cancer). Sometimes changes take advantage of awesome casting and give us a lot more Tywin Lannister than is in the books. Other times, though, things change and I can't really see why that change was made. For example, Jon and co.'s trip to Craster's Keep was a perfectly fine bit of giving the men at the Wall something to do for a few episodes where they might otherwise have been twiddling their thumbs, but Jon knowing Bran is north of the Wall is more of a change to the spirit of the books than anything practical. I think it's those changes that potentially alter character motivations that get to book readers like me.<br /><br />Still, I don't want to end on a downer. Thought this episode was great, whether it was drawing from the books or original material (the scythe!!). My only minor quibble was the cliffhanger, which I'm hoping gets resolved next week rather than being punted to next season, as it seems a really awkward place to end!Korlishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11871538691871812412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-30568001338354790772014-06-11T08:34:46.654-04:002014-06-11T08:34:46.654-04:00It's actually "Nock the arrows", not...It's actually "Nock the arrows", not knock the arrow.<br /><br />:DNickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08658615945692097009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-28758559123927686672014-06-10T23:20:46.914-04:002014-06-10T23:20:46.914-04:00Thank you for your thoughtful review, Mark.
Like...Thank you for your thoughtful review, Mark. <br /><br />Like you, I actually thought this was a good episode. Which, it's actually a little funny considering I wasn't looking forward to the Castle Black vs. the Free People melee at all. <br /><br />I liked how certain smaller threads were handled (like Sam and Gilly, the reason why Ser Alliser shot down Jon's idea of sealing the gate, etc.). The interactions moved the plot forward and did a really good job of heightening the stakes for both sides. <br /><br />Pyp's death was sad but I found Grenn's to be even sadder (despite happening off screen). Both of them had been in the show for a while so it was a little hard to say good-bye to them. <br /><br /><i>A lot of people are upset about their deaths as both of these characters are still alive in the books.</i><br /><br />I haven't read the books so I'm obviously surprised to learn that fact. That said, I find it somewhat irritating to hear books!fans complaining about "this change" and "that change" in the show (in other sites, not here). <br /><br />It is true that the show's kept several of the main story arcs/events mostly intact (Ned's fate, the Red Wedding, the Purple Wedding, for example). But the combination of GoT being a totally different media AND that there's a lot of plot to condense into 10 episodes of 52 minutes each set up the precedent for changes to happen. If anything, GoT broke away from the canon from early S1 and there's no reason why TPTB would even consider backpedaling. (Apologies if my tone was a bit grumbly. I've just seen a lot of criticism from book fans towards the show this season over the previous two). <br /><br />(Moving on). The battle itself was spectacular (despite happening at night). Though, like you, I do wonder why the Free People and the Night Watch wouldn't think of joining forces instead of trying to decimate one another.<br /><br />I do find it a little ironic that Ygritte was killed by the kid whose father she had previously killed. Her death was pretty much inevitable, imho. I'd figured that Jon wouldn't kill her so I did wonder how would she die. The actors' charisma was enough to override what could've been a cheesy moment (Jon holding Ygritte in his arms as the battle rages on in the background). <br /><br />Oh, and I wonder where was Maester Aemon too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-31353983035239105232014-06-10T20:43:31.438-04:002014-06-10T20:43:31.438-04:00I was sad to see Pyp and Grenn go. I liekd them, e...I was sad to see Pyp and Grenn go. I liekd them, even if they weren't exactly key characters. Looks like they're clearing up spots on the cast list for some new guys. Seems like That hardcore chef with the crazy cleaver may become someone of note. One, because he was so awesome, and two because he was too handsome to just be a throwaway character, haha. It was cool to see that Alliser Thorne wasn't just some jerk with a title, and could actually back up his talk. Hope to see more of him in the future.<br /><br />Personally I preferred this battle over the Blackwater battle. Even though they don't really focus on it in the show enough, there was tons at stake here if the Night's Watch failed. I thought the choreography was better as well.<br /><br />I couldn't help but find Ygritte's death a little funny, after the reveal of the kid (Ollie? Colin?) giving Jon the "I got your back homie" look. Was he also watching him long enough to notice Jon run up to her and cradle her dying body in anguish. That must've been awkward for him. Also, Jon somehow having time to hold a dying person in his arms during a cramped battle was a wee bit unbelievable to me.Freemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11265555641080269765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-91431769023057230292014-06-10T19:15:53.785-04:002014-06-10T19:15:53.785-04:00I probably would've liked this one if I cared…...I probably would've liked this one if I cared…at all…for anyone at the Wall or north of it. I know a lot of people do, but I never have. I do like that episode really showed Castle Black and gave us a sense of space. And also the Grenn reciting the Night's Watch Oath to a bunch of his scared brothers as they faced imminent death was quite touching.<br /><br />Plus, they really didn't skimp on the budget. So much of this episode reminded me of a gorier Lord of the Rings.<br /><br />Ygritte's death was really beautiful.sunbunnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08553429350476841139noreply@blogger.com