tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post1398019423070593273..comments2024-03-28T17:08:01.559-04:00Comments on Doux Reviews: Gotham: Queen Takes KnightBillie Douxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17141769005175631213noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-56118526741901538812023-12-09T04:23:52.122-05:002023-12-09T04:23:52.122-05:00Yeah I’m still agreeing with the first two anons h...Yeah I’m still agreeing with the first two anons here. From the second season on Gotham was a beautiful chaos and that’s where it shone brightest tbh. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-87267290128473942512017-12-27T00:55:09.813-05:002017-12-27T00:55:09.813-05:00If Selina was a mindless zombie at the time and th...If Selina was a mindless zombie at the time and that was the only way to wake her up, then yes. I'm pretty sure that Bruce would have tried every other, more civilized option first, but Tabitha isn't Bruce.<br /><br />I see how this sort of thing can be hard to watch, butif you were in Grundy's position, would you rather have stayed mentally deficient?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-33921315266921269852017-12-24T07:30:06.374-05:002017-12-24T07:30:06.374-05:00As another short response to a comment above:
Yes...As another short response to a comment above:<br /><br />Yes, if Alfred chose to subjugate Bruce to his will through the use of physical violence, which is how you spell out <i>"knocking some sense into him,"</i> this would most definitely ruin their relationship forever. This was not what happened. Bruce picked the fight, and Alfred was instantly horrified when he realized he'd hurt him.<br /><br />Putting it another way through the Tabitha and Butch metaphor, would you be able to root for Bruce and Selina in a romantic relationship after Bruce had tied her to a chair and beat her to a pulp?Thomas Ijon Tichyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01401298696128080459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-52912404367634079052017-12-23T12:38:26.622-05:002017-12-23T12:38:26.622-05:00I'm hoping Selina and Alfred get a chance to i...I'm hoping Selina and Alfred get a chance to interact some. If nothing else then to give them a chance to smooth their dynamic a bit. Their dynamic on the show has been pretty much the polar opposite of how I've viewed it in any other medium so far.<br /><br />Also, she needs a chance to stand out on her own. She too much of a "tag-along" so far for my tastes.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04521484462321857031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-28434399942165650912017-12-23T05:29:23.371-05:002017-12-23T05:29:23.371-05:00In order to give a simple reply to both of these c...In order to give a simple reply to both of these comments, not go into minutae - this could turn into a long, long diatribe about things I hated - I will put it like this.<br /><br />Old Gotham used plot contrivances to facilitate believable character stories.<br /><br />New Gotham uses character contrivances to facilitate nonsensical plot developments.<br /><br />I prefer the former to the latter, and I will continue to contend - at its best, Gotham was a very intelligent and yes, "deep" show, masked in bubblegum wrappper. Some other comic book shows are bubblegum shows masked as high drama. Gotham didn't just stop being intelligent in season two by embracing the setting's cartoonishness. The Riddler's story was consistently brilliant up to and including 'Anything For you'. This is a general tip to all writers - if you can't find a way to further develop a beloved character in a believable manner, try declaring victory and <i>keeping</i> it instead of regressing it. <br /><br />There are shades of that brilliance still left on the show and this is all that keeps me from dropping my coverage completely.Thomas Ijon Tichyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01401298696128080459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-23516916062468151482017-12-23T05:25:41.360-05:002017-12-23T05:25:41.360-05:00I have to agree about Ed. It makes ZERO sense that...I have to agree about Ed. It makes ZERO sense that he would reject his Riddler persona after just a few kind words from Lee. His storyline this season seems to be nothing more than an excuse to give Cory and Moreena something to do. The story is kinda full without their subplot, isn't it?<br /><br />You've never made a big deal out of violence on this show before, and it has been pretty violent all along. Yet, it's suddenly a problem when it's female on male violence?<br />Also, "cartoonish badassery"? Gordon's been winning fights against people like Zsasz with hilarious ease (one punch, lol), but only when the girls are good fighters, it's suddenly "cartoonish badassery"?<br />Also, if people are hoping that Selina will beat Bruce out of his funk, they're clearly not becoming alienated. They approve of what's happening with her character, and they're rooting for her. <br />Speaking of Bruce getting beat up, you spared barely a sentence to Alfred doing it. You clearly didn't mind, but if Selina was the one to do it, you'd be up in arms?<br /><br />Yes, Jim's comeuppance was absolutely delightful. I'd like to believe he'll learn from this, but the writers seem to like that famous "great darkness" of his too much.<br /><br />And, Christ, what is Gotham's obsession with recasting characters? They went out of their way to bring the same actor to play Scarecrow, and now they backtrack on it? And after all the backlash about Ivy, they STILL want to ship her with Bruce?! Oh, for the love of... They just don't know when to give up on a bad idea.<br /><br />Which brings me to my next point. You clearly have much too high an opinion about this show. Don't get me wrong, I wish with all my heart that it would pull its head out of its ass and live up to those expectations, but it's never gonna happen. Gotham's writing has always been on such a level, that sometimes I have trouble believing that adults are writing it. Being its fan is like being a patient parent of a toddler. You expect very little, and it makes you happy to see the kid make even the tiniest progress.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-88472540475464603932017-12-23T04:10:00.371-05:002017-12-23T04:10:00.371-05:00I have to agree with anon about Gotham, it's r...I have to agree with anon about Gotham, it's really not that deep. It's not trying to be. You are right about the unforturnate implications of Ed/ Lee..all of them. Lee will reject Ed and he will be evil again. <br />I liked Sofia being as smart as she should be. She totally pawned Jim and Ozzie. I like the idea of Ozzie and Jerome teaming up. <br />Tabitha/Butch is so boring. Why is Tabs with Barbara anyway? Oh show. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-38898535299901621172017-12-23T01:50:06.342-05:002017-12-23T01:50:06.342-05:00I've enjoyed your takes on Gotham before, so p...I've enjoyed your takes on Gotham before, so please don't take this as an insult, but I feel like you're expecting more out of the show than is actually there. An old critic's rule goes something like "judge it for what it is, not what you want it to be". Honestly Gotham has never been a show worth taking seriously. It tried to be taken seriously back in Season 1, then they realized how much that backfired and they recalibrated the show to lean into the craziness. I gave up on appraising Gotham as a legitimate show on day one when they took the character of Sarah Essen, who was supposed to be the true love of Jim Gordon's life, and turned her into a boss he barely interacted with before killing her off in Episode 24 to make way for Michael Chiklis.<br /><br />Don't misunderstand. Gotham is actually one of my favorite comic book shows on TV, right begind Agents of SHIELD and Legion. I adore Gotham because it's not so much a real series as an insane Batman fever dream. It's fanfiction on cocaine. Nowhere else do I get to see Leslie Thompkins become a rage zombie followed by Queen of the Narrows, or gay Penguin trying to murder Riddler for spurning his love. I just feel like you'd get a lot more enjoyment out of the show if you didn't hold it up to such high standards and instead let it just exist as the wildest, most fun ride on TV. That way, not only will the less than stellar parts irk you less, but when the show actually gets its shit together enough to create actual quality storytelling (the first half of Season 3) and characters (Penguin, Alfred, Bruce for the most part), it'll surprise you all the more.<br /><br />Just my two cents. Obviously I'm just a random commenter and you can tell me to f**k off if you want. Hopefully this doesn't come across as mean-spirited though, because I actually am a fellow fan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com