tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post2393532365728936519..comments2024-03-28T08:31:10.500-04:00Comments on Doux Reviews: Star Trek: The Motion PictureBillie Douxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17141769005175631213noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-56903709274103060032023-10-23T08:30:54.889-04:002023-10-23T08:30:54.889-04:00I was 9 when my parents took me with them to see t...I was 9 when my parents took me with them to see this in the theater back in 79. It wasn't that interesting for a kid to be honest, despite me being a fan of the show since I first saw it. It's pacing and ideas are more tolerable to older me, but I'm still not a big fan of this one.<br /><br />The transporter scene was horrifying as a kid and feels very much like it was just thrown in there for shock value, and as you say Billie, to kind of answer the criticism towards them. I still find it unpleasant and grating to this day, even if older me isn't as freaked out by it.<br /><br />My favorite part was the Klingon ships attacking V'Ger's cloud, although they didn't fare well. It looked amazing for 1979, even taking the original Star Wars into account which I also saw in the theater as a kid!<br /><br />Obviously, the next movie is much better. I don't hate this one, but on Rotten Tomatoes it has a 52/42 score and that sounds about right.Morellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08852528242739450099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-43049301260263248412015-08-17T09:38:24.640-04:002015-08-17T09:38:24.640-04:00I was thrilled, back in '79, that there was a ...I was thrilled, back in '79, that there was a Star Trek movie, but it did in no way compare to Star Wars, so that was a big bummer. <br /><br />The one major mistake they made, that would take 3 more movies to fix, was making Kirk an Admiral. Had they just left everyone alone, position-wise, the movie would have been far better. Kirk could have been portrayed as being a seasoned veteran of Command, finally growing into a position that he first assumed at a very young age. I don't think Spock would have resigned his commission (or taken a sabbatical, or whatever) had Kirk still been in command. They might have had to call McCoy out of retirement, because he was a bit older than the rest of the crew, but that by itself would not have been a huge disruption, and might have been even more fun than it was. <br /><br />One of my favorite scenes from ST IV was the court-martial, (happiest court-martial on record) when Kirk was reduced in rank back to Captain. That scene righted a grave wrong. How much Admiral work did Kirk actually do from the time of TMP to TVH? According to the novelization of TMP, Kirk was something like the head of Starfleet Operations (or the Deputy Commander, I forget). He was basically in charge of the daily duties of thousands (possibly millions) of crew members on board ships, at space stations, at outposts, and bases on other planets. Operations also covers the ships themselves, deploying, commissioning, de-commissioning, and mustering starships throughout the Federation. Where does he have time to take command of the flagship and run around space for a couple of years? --JBGreat PurpleRobehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07554406594623449587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-18637101626002969962013-09-16T13:09:02.071-04:002013-09-16T13:09:02.071-04:00I try to imagine what it must have been like seein...I try to imagine what it must have been like seeing the ship flyby on the big screen in 1979 where you were used to watching TOS on your TV at home (possibly even on a black and white TV) and only seeing the Enterprise zip by for a few seconds on the small screen. <br /><br />The ship flyby is much more enjoyable than the excruciatingly long flight into V'Ger. While both scenes ARE waaaaay too long, but they do give a sense of how big the Enterprise is compared to humans and how small the Enterprise is compared to V'Ger.<br /><br />I think we see more of the Enterprise in that first flyby than we ever see of the Enterprise E in all 3 of the movies that it was in. There must be a happy medium between the two situations.<br /><br />It's always bugged me that the premise behind V'Ger is too similar to Nomad from the TOS episode The Changeling. <br /><br />While I don't agree with it, I do enjoy the fan speculation that the planet that V'Ger found where it became sentient was a Borg world.<br />Dustinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-58502642025768152942013-09-08T19:40:22.362-04:002013-09-08T19:40:22.362-04:00I thought fans called it "The Motionless Pict...I thought fans called it "The Motionless Picture", not "The Slow Motion Picture"...<br /><br />About the movie itself, it's the only Star Trek film where I can't even remember the basics of the plot and how it fits together. I know there's V'Ger, and it kills Ilia, except not exactly, and Kirk talks it down, but what happens and why is just a blank.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-4041500003003976982013-09-02T19:52:42.995-04:002013-09-02T19:52:42.995-04:00Hi Billie!
As promised, I'm posting. :)
I kn...Hi Billie!<br /><br />As promised, I'm posting. :)<br /><br />I know I've mentioned that I do find TFF a lot more watchable than TMP, even to the point where I can tolerate TFF if I need cheering up, because I can't stop laughing at it. It's like a movie that Mystery Science Theater 3000 would riff on. It's so bad that it's hilarious!<br /><br />But, TMP is a movie of another color.<br /><br />It's joyless. There's very little that's fun about it. The special effects that were so exalted back in '79 look ridiculous today. And this is coming from a movie buff that is blown away at the special effects in the silent movies!<br /><br />I've never been able to sit through the whole movie in one sitting or without my finger firmly planted on the fast forward button. As I said, while we may have a little more attention deficit in 2013 than in 1979, the pacing of TMP is horrendous. It's way too slow and meandering. The story, which could have worked had it had better pacing, gets lost in the stops and starts of the movie. <br /><br />The characters are out of character, for the most part. We don't have any back story on them. And there's too much reliance on the new characters of Decker and Ilia. Sadly, I don't have the Director's Cut (Robert Wise hated the version that was released in theaters, believing it was unfinished), so these questions may be addressed in the Director's cut. But, why is Spock doing the Kolinarh? I get that it's a purging of emotions, and Spock is still trying to out-Vulcan full Vulcans. But, what happened between TOS and TMP to make him decide to do that? How long has passed between TOS and TMP? There's really no indication of how much time has passed. We know precisely how much time has passed between "Space Seed" and TWoK.<br /><br />It's just an all-around uncomfortable movie to sit through. While the story is intriguing, there's really nothing to latch onto and say "I love this!" And, that's actually something I can say at various moments in the remaining 5 movies (yes, there is one scene that I absolutely love in TFF, but I'll tell you what that is when you post it.)<br /><br />Good review, Billie!<br /><br />KatKathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00609424771874961444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-81714052384499027112013-09-02T13:50:58.834-04:002013-09-02T13:50:58.834-04:00Everything you said is spot on.
I can still appre...Everything you said is spot on.<br /><br />I can still appreciate the bright spots, given the circumstances surrounding the production. (Originally planned as a pilot for a TV series; studio decided it would be more movie-like by throwing money at the SFX department, which explains the long space scenes.)Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-62738415103811198462013-08-31T16:35:18.396-04:002013-08-31T16:35:18.396-04:00omg right. I had blocked ST V out so much that I h...omg right. I had blocked ST V out so much that I had to use wikipedia to remind me. That was the Shatner-as-writer-and-director catastrophe that failed to kill the franchise -- barely. Ugh. Right again, Billie. Thanks.<br /><br />BTW, one night, I showed my son Space Seed, then Wrath of Khan, and then Into Darkness a second time. He very much enjoyed Ricardo Montalban's performances, and he enjoyed Into Darkness after having seen the first two eps for Khan.Steve S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-10929408775824322732013-08-31T15:30:30.622-04:002013-08-31T15:30:30.622-04:00Steve S.,
ST5 is, IMHO, much, much worse than ST...Steve S., <br /><br />ST5 is, IMHO, much, much worse than ST1. I had blocked it out too, but during my rewatch to review all the movies, I rediscovered why I had decided never to watch ST5 again.Billie Douxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17141769005175631213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-81009125996690070122013-08-31T14:16:42.451-04:002013-08-31T14:16:42.451-04:00Wait, "second least favorite Star Trek movie&...Wait, "second least favorite Star Trek movie" -- there's one that's even worse? Which one? I must have blocked it out.<br /><br />I happened to re-watch 2001 with my 17-year-old son, who is thoughtful, insightful, and enjoys science fiction, including Trek and especially B5. He recognized the story and many references and implications, but still found it slow and ponderous. I have to admit that I didn't like it nearly as much, either. Seeing it in 1969 at the height of the space race and reaching for the stars, which all seemed imminent and inevitable, makes the difference.<br /><br />Steve S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-47975925066832223722013-08-31T12:39:08.923-04:002013-08-31T12:39:08.923-04:00I just recently re-watched this movie as well, as ...I just recently re-watched this movie as well, as I only recently got the blu-ray box set of the original movies. I probably like it more for nostalgia than anything else. You keep looking at the clock and thinking, when is SOMETHING gonna happen? At least they quickly realized the error of their ways, and we got Khan a couple years later. KHAN!!!!!JimGfromWIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13255742215695219910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-33895832304099705182013-08-31T08:53:25.145-04:002013-08-31T08:53:25.145-04:00This movie was kinda slow and tedious..I never got...This movie was kinda slow and tedious..I never got why Will had to go with automaton girl either..<br />AnnaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-4816981674566452392013-08-31T06:02:54.455-04:002013-08-31T06:02:54.455-04:00(The transporter accident is pretty cool though!)(The transporter accident is pretty cool though!)Juliettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00203399623895589924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-73487229947093191552013-08-31T06:02:27.397-04:002013-08-31T06:02:27.397-04:00A group of friends and I have been watching our wa...A group of friends and I have been watching our way through all of TOS and even the Animated Series, and next week we'll get up to The Motionless Picture. We plan to drink. A lot.Juliettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00203399623895589924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-77061286174296795562013-08-31T05:29:03.301-04:002013-08-31T05:29:03.301-04:00Agree with everything you said, Billie. The whole ...Agree with everything you said, Billie. The whole film is just a big budget exercise in tedium. Thank god then for Jerry Goldsmith's wonderful score. There are so many great Trek film scores, but this one is by far the best. Mark Greighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12984193299389764649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-25741797664940297932013-08-30T23:43:28.363-04:002013-08-30T23:43:28.363-04:00I saw this in 1979. I don't think anyone thoug...I saw this in 1979. I don't think anyone thought the tour around the Enterprise was anything other than long, really long and boring. Actually, some of us thought that 2001 may have been gorgeous, but that it was long and boring in parts as well.<br /><br />Just as a happenstance my husband and I were discussing the movie without leaving our seats and suddenly they were seating for the second showing and we watched it again. My husband timed the tour of the Enterprise and it was almost 5 minutes of seeing the ship, with nothing else happening. <br /><br />But it did well enough to give us The Wrath of Kahn, so that's something.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com