tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post2911643761490506389..comments2024-03-27T23:50:21.307-04:00Comments on Doux Reviews: Veronica Mars: Years, Continents, BloodshedBillie Douxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17141769005175631213noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-58869385184753589172023-08-23T21:56:39.708-04:002023-08-23T21:56:39.708-04:00LOOOOOOLLOOOOOOLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-18417032323474851862023-08-23T21:56:06.593-04:002023-08-23T21:56:06.593-04:00As someone who generously donated to the Kickstart...As someone who generously donated to the Kickstarter for the movie, this is exactly how I wanted VM to progress. The movie was perfect for setting up a new season/story of VM, and season 4 was PERFECT! It's exactly what fans wanted, was shot beautifully, had an incredible story/plot, and sets up even MORE stories for VM. Stunning finale, stunning season. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-13577986158146785082022-05-22T17:22:47.230-04:002022-05-22T17:22:47.230-04:00NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Piz in the s3 finale was rig...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Piz in the s3 finale was right, Rob Thomas IS a whore! This show is done, you hear me? Done, DONE!!!<br /><br />Sorry I just wanted to play along for a bit. OK so I was spoiled about Rogan-san's death, and I pushed through it enough to read general season 4 reviews on whether the season was worth watching despite it, and there was enough level-headed feedback that pointed to "yes," and having watched the whole thing now, I definitely agree. <br /><br />ClydexKeith was underrated and I wish we had more of that. I'm sorry Keith turned down his offer for friendship. I was kinda hoping Clyde was who she was referring to when she was getting to why she's fine with leaving her dad 'alone' lol. Ah well... I hope there's a compilation of their scenes somewhere.<br /><br />I wouldn't go so far as to say Logan's death was necessary, I think I would've preferred it if the "Sorry" text fake-out was how they played it - of course, with a real face-to-face conversation about it. I would've liked Logan out of the picture of his own accord. There was something about Logan's role this season that wasn't very fun to watch. I love that he's finally reached a place where he's at peace with himself, but that means a very clear disconnect with Veronica and her perpetually driven headspace. It's just odd to me to see Logan play a supporting role, even if it's nice to keep him around. I didn't get the impression Veronica reached any real epiphany when she finally went through with the wedding nor did I get the impression that a bridge really was formed between them. I understand the LoVe worship when you see the palpable chemistry the actors used to bring in the earlier seasons, but how can you still hold onto that in the present reality of the show? Nostalgia junkies...<br /><br />I'll say that it was immensely balls-y of Rob Thomas to do this with Logan, lol. No I don't think he 'misread the room' this badly. I'm sure he knew that a large part of the fanbase were shippers and only tolerated/supported the show so long as Logan would be around in some dissatisfying capacity. This motif of Veronica being an addict never felt more accurate. It was balls-y, what he did... All the compromises he made to keep season 3 on the air, and he finally got to shed it all with season 4's ending. That's my interpretation at least. That's why there's the flashforward at the end with a tonally-wrong uplifting note. But it was right for me. I'm still resentful about all the inane LoVe-talk comments I had to sift through just to read feedback about the 90% remainder of the show that had real things going on. This show was, and is so much more than just that. So many people watched it for the wrong reasons and I'm glad they all got burned in the end, even if that means I know in my heart season 5'll never happen. Sorry for leaving this on a nasty note. Well, god bless Panda for holding the forte against the mob backlash. And thanks for the reviews. Though I probably should've read the books in chrono order, I think I made the right choice in leaving them to be my aftercare while I'm coping with the end of new TV VM material. I found the first book narrated by Kristen Bell and I'm saving that for when the void of completion really hits me bad. Already fighting the urge to immediately rewatch s1 >_> This show was never "top-tier" television but I need to give it praise for being something that is so so watchable without going into the guilty pleasure category with the other reality TV dreck I consoom. I'm glad it got both a movie over-budget and a TV season after its cancellation. Totally deserved it.Onigirlihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10070327483035350298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-50170531837422796232019-09-23T10:03:13.788-04:002019-09-23T10:03:13.788-04:00I love hearing about how nice tv cast members are ...I love hearing about how nice tv cast members are in real life! I was secretly hoping he might be mean just since it’s unfair for him to be that good looking and also an amazing person LOLPandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06278058860653997977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-6937902717559302722019-09-22T01:11:16.931-04:002019-09-22T01:11:16.931-04:00Lynda, I literally only went for Jason. I wrote hi...Lynda, I literally only went for Jason. I wrote him a letter (cause I didn’t think I’d be able to form words in front of him) and my son saw me writing and wanted to help so I told him Jason grows apple trees, rescues bees and has chickens so my 5year old drew a picture for me to give to Jason and Jason wrote a little thank you note to My son thanking him. Literally the most down to earth, nicest guy ever.Smiles Pnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-11237844399413208822019-09-21T22:34:35.052-04:002019-09-21T22:34:35.052-04:00Smikes P that is great to hear, always impressed w...Smikes P that is great to hear, always impressed when actors give back to their fans.<br /><br />I was contemplating going to OzComicCon today but as Jason was only guest of interest i opted out.Havent been since the one with Nathan Fillion.Lyndahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09661434417795768656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-22420207944003555212019-09-21T20:38:31.408-04:002019-09-21T20:38:31.408-04:00Smiles P, that is wonderful. And it reminds me tha...Smiles P, that is wonderful. And it reminds me that it's been way too long since I've been to a con. Billie Douxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17141769005175631213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-41729962025075710042019-09-21T19:31:44.055-04:002019-09-21T19:31:44.055-04:00On a completely different note! I was able to meet...On a completely different note! I was able to meet Jason Dohring at Oz Comic Con yesterday and OMG he is he sweetest, nicest, loveliest person I have ever met! He greeted everyone in he photo ops with a handshake, looked right into your eyes and introduced himself. He stopped to talk to everyone. Seriously most loveliest person ever!Smiles Pnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-7635977392510368392019-09-20T06:42:32.764-04:002019-09-20T06:42:32.764-04:00Just wanted to leave a comment to say thanks to ev...Just wanted to leave a comment to say thanks to everyone for reading and leaving comments. I definitely don’t agree with some of your own views - especially dropping such a fantastic show because of one character! - but I respect that you guys feel strongly about it. It’s nice to have somewhere to engage with people on shows that are able to speak their minds so well.Pandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06278058860653997977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-38882280844519194822019-09-19T05:07:42.811-04:002019-09-19T05:07:42.811-04:00Yes would be great if Mac could come back in a maj...Yes would be great if Mac could come back in a major storyline if indeed there is a season 5. I heard that Tina declined to be in season 4 as it would have been a small appearance like Wallace's. <br /><br />With her talents it makes sense that Mac would be successful outside of Neptune, and the type of friend Veronica would need post Season 4 events.<br /><br />Am I the only one who really wants Mac to put Madison Sinclair in her place at some stage and let her in on the secret that it was only by sheer accident she has led a privileged life - thought that might have happened in the movie.<br /><br />As to how big a portion of the fans are disenfranchised only time will tell and only if there is a season 5. But I suspect many of those who are angry now, wont be able to resist tuning in to what happens next, irrespective of what they say atm.<br /><br />Its like I love the original star wars trilogy (Empire Strikes Back will always be my favorite). I found the prequels painful/awful but I still watched everyone of them, just like I will watch the next one, Im not super engaged anymore (although quite liked Rogue One and Solo) but I need to see how the Skywalker saga ends.<br /><br />And I need to watch any future Veronica Mars.Lyndahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09661434417795768656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-77930373581082590312019-09-19T04:48:41.282-04:002019-09-19T04:48:41.282-04:00I do wonder how large is the disenfranchised base ...I do wonder how large is the disenfranchised base is. I've been reading a lot of people saying they're done with the show, and I kinda hope it's just a really small, but vocal minority. No disrespect to how people feel, of course, but I largely enjoyed the season even though I hated Logan dying and would really enjoy Season 5.<br /><br />And hey, 1 less character might mean more screen time for some others. *cough* *cough* Mac *cough* *coughNickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08658615945692097009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-39637193163838525402019-09-18T18:39:06.635-04:002019-09-18T18:39:06.635-04:00Wow, this is going to be a tough crowd, but... I n...Wow, this is going to be a tough crowd, but... I never really liked Logan. Ever. I wish he had died before. Never understood why a smart teen/woman like Veronica would fall for him. And finally this season they make him WAY more likable, and of course they had to kill him. I'm not sad or anything (well, I am for Veronica), but I don't think it's a bad decision, especially if more Veronica is produced (please!).<br /><br />Nothing against Aaron Echolls, though. He did a great job with what he was given, this last season in particular, and if true that after 15 years they didn't even give him a proper goodbye, then my opinion of Kristen Bell goes down a notch.<br /><br />I really liked the season, it was well written, the mystery was nice, it was funny, Matty was a great new character, we saw A LOT of the old ones... the only thing, as some have said, is that there have to be a bit of stupidity between our main characters to "allow" Logan to die. And coincidence. He HAD to move the car just at the precise exact time that the bomb was going off. And that never is good.<br /><br />In any case: S4 good. Logan better, but glad he's out (he didn't really have to die, but that way there is no coming back). Echolls good. S5, please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-6292366316309749362019-09-18T18:31:42.449-04:002019-09-18T18:31:42.449-04:00I waited until now to comment as my best friend an...I waited until now to comment as my best friend and I watched the entire season in 24 hours, so the episodes blur a little in my head. Also, it would have been very hard to say things about Logan, knowing how this ended.<br /><br />I wasn't exactly spoiled, but I did see something about a huge character death at the end. So I knew immediately it would be either Keith or Logan. Since I couldn't imagine the show with either of them gone, I watched the whole season with dread, waiting for the shoe to drop.<br /><br />Like was mentioned earlier in the comments, there is no way Penn's backpack would have been overlooked in Veronica's car. Also, why was Logan even moving the car if they planned to leave as soon as they packed? It definitely sounded like a road trip based on their calculations, and it was established earlier in the season that Logan didn't have a car.<br /><br />Will I keep watching the show? Yes, but it has moved from "must-see TV" (aka the reason I watched this season in 24 hours) to "eh, I'll get around to it". I do hope they have a 5th season, if only for this to not be the ending we are left with. But I wouldn't be surprised if they cut off the arm of the show only to bleed to death from all the fans giving up on it. It won't be the same show we've loved - we'll be watching Veronica Echolls, Widow. I wonder how dark Rob Thomas plans to go. And if Veronica's not in Neptune, it will be even worse.<br /><br />I did get the sense, however, that Logan's story had come full circle. He didn't even have all that much to do in this season. Does Thomas not know how to write interesting healthy characters? (Note to self: if any other non-title characters attend therapy in Rob Thomas shows, he plans to off them.) Did he just decide to make Logan extra well-adjusted to create conflict with Veronica? Did he just kill Logan off because he was bored and tired of the LoVe shippers?<br /><br />I also did feel cheated that they skipped ahead a year (and who knows if they'll skip more time before season 5?). And that nothing was shown of Dick's reaction to his father's (and then his best friend's) death. Mattie was an interesting but unnecessary addition (way to much "this is mini-Veronica" and not establishing a character of her own). Penn was super annoying the whole season (and that was extra annoying to me since I like the actor).<br /><br />Ranking the seasons, I'd probably put this season slightly above or below season 3. So season 1, 2, movie, and then 3/4.Katie Hart - Pinterest Managerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14892763965326103296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-81519446595688876012019-09-18T18:06:07.370-04:002019-09-18T18:06:07.370-04:00Lpgan's personal growth was epic, but I do not...Lpgan's personal growth was epic, but I do not feel he was done, there would always be challenges with Veronica in his life. If any character was shown to be done in season 4 it was probably Wallace - he got the girl, stable job, nice house with the prized 09 zip code, cute kid etc.<br /><br />If they have Veronica rush to hook up with new man or run back to Leo in season 5 that would cheapen LoVe's relationship further, so hopefully Rob wont take the show there.<br /><br />I think Kristen is very talented, there is no Veronica Mars without her, I love her dedication to the show/character over the years. But I share Billie's concern that Rob's decisions wrt Logan might mean Hulu choose not to invest further with so many fans disengaging.<br /><br />Its a real shame, cause it was otherwise a great season.<br /><br />Time will tell.<br /><br />Lyndahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09661434417795768656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-41789429926603425332019-09-18T10:19:20.109-04:002019-09-18T10:19:20.109-04:00A huge shame if that’s the case, because there are...A huge shame if that’s the case, because there are a lot of fans that would love to see it continue, myself included obviously.Pandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06278058860653997977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-19850233495942646762019-09-18T09:52:11.664-04:002019-09-18T09:52:11.664-04:00Lynda wrote: PS Just found this wonderful site in ...Lynda wrote: <i>PS Just found this wonderful site in the last couple of weeks, when I rediscovered FarScape and delighted that so many shows I love you love too. Though I’m very late to the conversation, Id like to contribute my thoughts.</i><br /><br />Lynda, thank you so much, and you're very welcome to post comments! It's never too late. :)Billie Douxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17141769005175631213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-78397796230288193632019-09-18T08:57:20.579-04:002019-09-18T08:57:20.579-04:00I've been wrong before, but I don't think ...I've been wrong before, but I don't think there will be a season five. I think Rob Thomas didn't "read the room," that too many fans will find it impossible to move on from here.Billie Douxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17141769005175631213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-76502363138144252172019-09-18T06:55:46.176-04:002019-09-18T06:55:46.176-04:00Very good points raised about how the show could h...Very good points raised about how the show could have moved forward with Logan, but I just think his story felt complete. The rest of the main cast have more to give. And I don’t like the idea of Veronica and Logan being broken up...again. It’s been done, and their story ending with their marriage worked for me, even if his subsequent death was a bit too soon.<br /><br />One thing I hope season five doesn’t do is force Veronica to get with someone else right away. She needs time to grieve. <br /><br />I don’t think skipping the year was lazy at all, though. The fact that she’s still grieving is testament to how much is left to explore. I heard people complaining about Veronica being over him in the flash-forward, but that’s just not the case at all. There’s still so much she has to do to move on, and I’m really excited to see how Veronica will deal with it.Pandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06278058860653997977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-41763302188462438112019-09-18T06:46:47.063-04:002019-09-18T06:46:47.063-04:00I hear y’all and your frustrations, but I don’t ag...I hear y’all and your frustrations, but I don’t agree with this Kristen bashing at all. She just made it clear that she feels this is for the best. She knows this character in and out and if she feels that way, you have to respect that. Just because she disagrees with your own sentiments doesn’t mean you can describe her a certain way. It’s 2019, let’s have better respect for people than that.Pandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06278058860653997977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-58528084794914873662019-09-18T05:49:50.168-04:002019-09-18T05:49:50.168-04:00I have very mixed feelings about season 4 and genu...I have very mixed feelings about season 4 and genuine anger at Rob Thomas may just be the strongest one.<br /><br />I was midway through a series 1-3 + movie rewatch in preparation for Season 4, when I saw a Facebook post that it was dropping early. I immediately started to panic about how I would avoid spoilers because I’m in Australia and we don’t have Hulu, when thankfully Stan (the streaming service for Veronica Mars here) sent an email to say that they would release it at the same time. Watched first 2 episodes, went to bed happy around 2am, woke up the next morning and binged the rest before checking going online and was shell shocked at the end and for the rest of the weekend.<br /><br />As soon as I saw the episode title, my heart sank, somehow I just knew that meant Logan was going to die.<br /><br />I understand why Rob wanted a reason to have Veronica leave Neptune, but I think he could have accomplished it in a myriad of other ways. Another original Neptune character could have been accidently killed as a result of Veronica’s actions and generated enough guilt (misplaced or otherwise) to give Veronica the need to escape Neptune for the foreseeable future. Weevil or Cliff or Leo would have all worked.<br /><br />To me the ending was lazy writing in this episode.<br /><br />Are we really expected to believe that the Neptune Sherriff’s Office (as incompetent as they are), FBI and more importantly Veronica herself all failed to search Veronica’s car after the arrest? It was evidence.<br /><br />Eliminating Logan permanently rather than finding a way to have him challenge Veronica as her husband is unbelievably lazy. I was quite insulted that Rob’s comments insinuated that to allow Veronica a little happiness/stability would prevent the show from growing up, make it soap opera not film noir.<br /><br />I’m sure no marshmallow really expected their married life to be perfection. Navigating challenges of complex relationships is a very adult problem. Veronica and Logan (despite his incredible character growth) are still damaged and only they can fully understand their shared history, so deserved more. We fans deserved more.<br /><br />Their marriage needn’t have been a prime focus going forward, as Logan’s naval career already gave Rob a convenient excuse to have him absent for long periods. The bulk of (maybe even a whole) future season could focus on Veronica in her own right, see her operate without her safety net of Keith, Wallace, Logan – because Logan was on a tour of duty.<br /><br />Besides Logan wasn’t what was keeping Veronica tied to Neptune, Keith was. There are Naval bases all over the world, Logan has no family in Neptune, he would have moved for her I’m certain. And Keith’s health has improved, and he has Matty to help out.<br /><br />Jumping forward a year, rather than dealing with the fallout directly was again lazy writing.<br /><br />BTW Rob could fix this quite easily, Veronica never saw the bomb go off just heard it, what if the Navy faked Logan’s death to protect him due to something mission related and needed everyone to believe he was dead (there wouldn’t have been enough intact body parts to identify on site). He could come back when that mission is done, so much to navigate then re whether he knew it was going to happen, how you get over very real mourning etc.<br /><br />I will watch Season 5 should there be one but it wont be the same. And I worry it wont work the way Rob is intending.<br /><br />PS Just found this wonderful site in the last couple of weeks, when I rediscovered FarScape and delighted that so many shows I love you love too. Though I’m very late to the conversation, Id like to contribute my thoughts.<br />Lyndahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09661434417795768656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-76089946012863297992019-09-18T04:38:27.335-04:002019-09-18T04:38:27.335-04:00Nick it was more her comments afterwards, I felt t...Nick it was more her comments afterwards, I felt that a lot of what she said in interviews was very condescending and she was joking about the death saying it was cutting off a limb to save the body (with Jason Dohring sitting right there) also Jason mentioned nobody showed up on his last day of filming (he played this character on and off over the course of 15 years, and neither Kristen or Rob felt they should farewell him at all) only my opinion but for me it will take awhile to watch her stuff.Smiles Pnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-22236902125169218942019-09-18T03:24:08.023-04:002019-09-18T03:24:08.023-04:00I'm not sure why this has put you off Kristen ...I'm not sure why this has put you off Kristen Bell. It's not like she forced Rob Thomas to kill Logan.<br /><br />Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08658615945692097009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-21813390192902135382019-09-17T22:20:39.358-04:002019-09-17T22:20:39.358-04:00I have to admit that it's ruined the entire se...I have to admit that it's ruined the entire series for me, too.Billie Douxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17141769005175631213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-71183335827407705202019-09-17T21:52:06.028-04:002019-09-17T21:52:06.028-04:00I wasn’t spoiled at all, and god how I wish I had ...I wasn’t spoiled at all, and god how I wish I had been. Binged the entire 8 episodes when it was released and when that death happened in the last 10 minutes, I was inconsolable! Sitting alone in my lounge room at 2.30am desolate and crushed. It destroyed me (and I watch so many shows with hard deaths, supernatural, any joss Whedon show, greys anatomy, walking dead, game of thrones) But never have I even been hit this hard, I was depressed in bed the whole next day after getting zero sleep. And I think after I read the interviews with rob Thomas and Kristen bell, I felt worse. To know logan was killed off because the writer couldn’t think of an interesting way to write a badass married woman in her 30s coming home to a loving partner or that rob said noir detective stories often involve sex and romance which would be hard to do if our heroine has a boyfriend at home. Those statements disgust me. They have taken a show I love and turned it into something completely different. If they do get another season, I won’t be on board. I’m not down for a sexually available Veronica being a travelling PI without the rest of the ensemble cast. Sometimes beloved shows should just stay gone. This has soured the entire series for me, and also has put me off KristenBell. 😩Smiles Pnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-83441497441136540592019-09-17T21:41:23.719-04:002019-09-17T21:41:23.719-04:00I am a long time Marshmellow and donated to fund t...I am a long time Marshmellow and donated to fund the movie. I could write a whole story of what this show means to me and how Veronica is my hero, but I will keep it short. <br /><br />I was rudely spoiled about the ending as soon as the show dropped unexpectedly early. I was devastated and took two weeks before I could bring myself to watch. I thought about it constantly and finally came to terms with it. I also fancy myself a writer and I know that sometimes killing a character is what needs to be done and it is never a decision a writer takes lightly. If it was done well this is what could propel the show forward and it was nicely circular given his connection to Lily Kane.<br /><br />Upon watching those last ten minutes, this show lost me. We didn't get to mourn Logan with these characters we just skipped ahead a year. With that ending and what Rob Thomas has said, it sounds like he envisions the future of the show to be Veronica on the road. <br /><br />Veronica Mars can survive without Logan, as much as I LoVe him, but it can't survive without Neptune.<br /><br />I feel Betrayed.Valerienoreply@blogger.com