tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post4238124020564623526..comments2024-03-29T06:56:12.797-04:00Comments on Doux Reviews: Game of Thrones Season Three: Book vs. Show DiscussionBillie Douxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17141769005175631213noreply@blogger.comBlogger92125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-17120325753282697392013-06-11T15:27:53.220-04:002013-06-11T15:27:53.220-04:00Oh, I considered this episode the fulfillment of t...Oh, I considered this episode the fulfillment of the "Gendry will be playing the role of Edric Storm" theory. Stannis wanted to sacrifice him, Davos helped him escape so that wouldn't happen. Job done. I don't remember Edric Storm having significance beyond that. I'll have to go check the wiki's now! :)<br /><br />I would think the others that made it back to Castle Black ahead of Sam told everyone about the mutiny. Presumably, people like Grenn made it back. Not everyone was killed, right?<br /><br />I wish they had done Stoneheart as the final thing for this season, but hopefully it will still be awesome when it comes.<br /><br />Something I'm still incredibly curious about: how is Shae's story going to play out? And how will that affect Tyrion going forward? She really does love him, which is a huge change. I sort of hope she gets to live, but I suspect she's still going to die. Let's just hope it is in a different fashion, because I'd really hate to see Show Shae be forced to turn on Tyrion and then suffer the same fate through some kind of misunderstanding. :(Jess Lyndehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165015932507376656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-34093933462233332222013-06-11T14:17:44.064-04:002013-06-11T14:17:44.064-04:00So much for thinking that Gendry was there to repl...So much for thinking that Gendry was there to replace Edric Storm!!! With his escape there's no way he's joining them on the Wall now. Does that mean we can suppose young Edric will be safe in the books?<br />But what will they do now with Gendry's story? This big a change from the books... they'll have to keep it up 'cause there's no way he's rejoining the Brotherhood after they game him up to Melisandre...<br /><br />I think Juliette's right about the Stoneheart reveal, they'll wait until Brienne. And Juliette I think they'll show her origin in a flashback as they explain it to Brienne. Keep the surprise as late as possible. Season 4 finale? ;o)<br /><br />I'm really looking forward to seeing a bit more of Arya and the Hound!!! <br /><br />And hasn't Sam told the others at the Wall about the mutiny against Mormont? <br /><br />Damn the long wait until season 4!!! grrrr...CrazyCrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17512240982215608638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-92084171437354801082013-06-10T18:08:32.060-04:002013-06-10T18:08:32.060-04:00I can't see Gendry signing back up with the BW...I can't see Gendry signing back up with the BWB after they= way they sold him to Mels. The only logical reason he could have for seeking them out again is to find Arya. <br /><br />It is possible they the writers will give him his own storyline, one independent of all the others. Since it will likely only cover the final third of ASOS, I expect season two will contain more original material than the previous three seasons, such as Asha/Yara's more than likely doomed rescue of Theon. Mark Greighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12984193299389764649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-71778120211617828422013-06-10T17:40:03.344-04:002013-06-10T17:40:03.344-04:00I have now decided it would be really awesome if w...I have now decided it would be really awesome if we didn't see anything of her at all until SPOILER WARNING FOR BOOKS 4&5 she captures Brienne, so the viewer gets the same nasty shock Brienne does. But that seems unlikely - I'd guess they'll want to show Beric reviving her, and presumably Gendry will join up with her and what's left of the Brotherhood again.Juliettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00203399623895589924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-6184189641437300022013-06-10T13:09:15.899-04:002013-06-10T13:09:15.899-04:00It is possible, if they are going to hold the reve...It is possible, if they are going to hold the reveal off until the end of next season, that they could've shot that scene already. That way Michelle Fariley won't have to show up for the filming of season four. Mark Greighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12984193299389764649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-66385754120462812212013-06-10T12:49:05.870-04:002013-06-10T12:49:05.870-04:00It makes sense. Showing her this soon would dimini...It makes sense. Showing her this soon would diminish the emotional devastation that was the Red Wedding. But, like you pointed out on Twitter, Mark, they're going to have a job keeping Michelle Fairley's presence on set a secret.sunbunnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08553429350476841139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-34080589826403526822013-06-10T12:46:03.948-04:002013-06-10T12:46:03.948-04:00I was also convinced we would see Stoneheart this ...I was also convinced we would see Stoneheart this week. I thought for sure we'd at least see Beric give his life to revive her. The way I see it now they'll either stay true to the book and save the reveal of Stoneheart until the end of season four (giving Michelle Fairley a nice long holiday) or they'll reveal Stoneheart in the opener of S4, ensuring the season gets off to headline grabbing start. Mark Greighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12984193299389764649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-33077379637225564682013-06-10T11:52:55.526-04:002013-06-10T11:52:55.526-04:00Looks like I was wrong again! Wonder how on earth ...Looks like I was wrong again! Wonder how on earth they'll manage to keep that secret for next year, or whenever they decide to do it...Juliettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00203399623895589924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-75667382256889326962013-06-06T07:12:47.862-04:002013-06-06T07:12:47.862-04:00Yes, I was nuts. I have gotten the nerve and rerea...Yes, I was nuts. I have gotten the nerve and reread the book scene. Her throat was cut too deep, that's why she can't speak, I don't know where I got the tongue removal idea... But boy, it's even harsher than the show scene. To think of her scratching her own face and slitting the throat of Frey's grandson is even harder. I can't wait to see Lady Stoneheart!!!!!!!Samantha Gomesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-61826792806798746682013-06-05T21:29:06.428-04:002013-06-05T21:29:06.428-04:00Gosh, my memory is soooo bad, I didn't remembe...Gosh, my memory is soooo bad, I didn't remember any of that, or the violence was so hard to Catelyn I kind of blocked things in my mind. BUt if I'm not mistaken, Frey orders his men to cut off her tongue for she speaks too much, so that's why she does "not speak but remembers"? Or Am I only nuts?<br />Either way, the red wedding this week leaves us with the return of JOn SNow to the wall and Lady Stoneheart for the last episode? Is there anything important that can be developed in just one episode that I'm forgetting?Samantha Gomesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-42667106837493593242013-06-05T18:53:38.981-04:002013-06-05T18:53:38.981-04:00Stoneheart first appears in the epilogue of ASOSStoneheart first appears in the epilogue of ASOSMark Greighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12984193299389764649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-12403232458551380732013-06-05T18:50:24.275-04:002013-06-05T18:50:24.275-04:00Remind me: does Stoneheart appear at the end of St...Remind me: does Stoneheart appear at the end of Storm of Swords or not until Feast of Crows? I read the first four books (have yet to get to the fifth...) in a row so I'm a little fuzzy on what happens when.sunbunnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08553429350476841139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-1500959186704660632013-06-05T18:38:43.910-04:002013-06-05T18:38:43.910-04:00I can't even remember now, I think it might ha...I can't even remember now, I think it might have been Entertainment Weekly. She said something quite clever about 'knowing how many years her contract was for' and the others tried their hardest to focus on Richard Madden...<br /><br />I am absolutely convinced we'll see Stoneheart next week, because it just doesn't make TV-sense to wait so long, and because they'll never keep her appearance in later seasons a secret (though I suppose they could pretend it's a flashback). But I'm fairly sure we'll see Dondarrion revive her next week, and Gendry will join up with her while she kills Freys and hunts for Lannisters next season. OTOH, I was convinced when I first read the books that all the Stark children were safe, so what do I know...Juliettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00203399623895589924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-10987761520791475332013-06-04T06:43:03.474-04:002013-06-04T06:43:03.474-04:00What interview would that be? Even if she's re...What interview would that be? Even if she's returning as Stoneheart it wouldn't be until season 5 or 6... so they need to keep that a big secret! Which would reduce the possibilities of our seeing Stoneheart in the season finale next week...<br /><br />Either that or like you said, they're getting really good at lying! :pCrazyCrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17512240982215608638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-49534108502127450322013-06-04T06:31:01.157-04:002013-06-04T06:31:01.157-04:00I've been poking around a bunch of interviews ...I've been poking around a bunch of interviews this morning. Either Stoneheart's been re-cast as a different actress, or this lot are getting as good at lying to the audience as Steven Moffat!Juliettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00203399623895589924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-88201146255540726712013-06-04T05:57:18.765-04:002013-06-04T05:57:18.765-04:00Jess, I wondered about that too. At first I though...Jess, I wondered about that too. At first I thought it was just to avoid naming Jaime or Tyrion - this episode only ever talked about 'Lannisters,' it never named the ones we like. Then I read a review by a book-reader who was utterly convinced that Jaime was somehow behind the Red Wedding in the books - which is totally not the case! (Unless I've remembered them very wrongly). So I think it may have been to make sure that viewers knew it was Tywin behind it, not Jaime.<br /><br />Gus, I think you might be thinking of Jeyne Poole... (though there was a revelation about the Westerlings, other than Jeyne).<br /><br />I loved the still, silent Catelyn at the end. I was writing the scene up for Den of Geek and I nearly wrote 'she already looks like a zombie before she's killed' but I was afraid it would be spoilery so I went for 'dead.' But I think we saw Stoneheart right there, even before her throat was cut.<br /><br />And I think we'll see Stoneheart next week (possibly we'll see Beric sacrifice himself for her). Partly because it's a good cliffhanger, but mostly because if she stays dead a whole season or two, bringing her back will feel cheap to TV viewers and they'll wonder who else isn't dead after all. Bringing her back next week looks more carefully planned.Juliettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00203399623895589924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-59320042570106172852013-06-03T17:47:40.481-04:002013-06-03T17:47:40.481-04:00Another adaptation choice I found interesting or p...Another adaptation choice I found interesting or perhaps troubling: Roose went with a more generalized "The Lannisters send their regards" before finishing Robb, instead of the specific "Jaime Lannister sends his regards." Since we got the scene of Jaime asking Roose to send Robb his regards, I wonder why they made this change here? To make it perfectly clear to the audience that Roose was in league with Tywin? <br /><br />It strikes me as significant that, in the book, Cat heard "Jaime Lannister" named as a villain who betrayed her trust right before dying. It has implications for what's to come. For Stoneheart and Brienne. I guess it doesn't really necessarily change Stoneheart's overall motivations if her nemesis is the whole lot of Lannisters, but the change still troubles me a bit.Jess Lyndehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165015932507376656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-83533141006924970682013-06-03T17:20:32.613-04:002013-06-03T17:20:32.613-04:00I kept hoping somehow the Blackfish and Robb's...I kept hoping somehow the Blackfish and Robb's wife would turn around before reaching the Twins! Why didn't she accompany him in the books? I don't remember... But it makes it all the more visceral, her presence their. She embodies the insult to Lord Walder so of course he's want to see her dead first. And done in such a way... Arrrrrrgh!!! So brutal and so true!<br />But I don't know if Bolton is perhaps even worse! Pure betrayal there from a Northman!<br /><br />I wonder if we'll see the Blackfish escaping? We didn't see him die... and he did go searching for "a tree"...<br /><br />I kept waiting for someone to slice Cat's throat... And when they did... how will Beric bring her back after such a long time? I had understood he had to be revived immediately after dying!<br /><br />Poor Arya! To have witnessed so much... There's no wonder she follows the path of Valar Morghulis...<br /><br />Major acting props to Michelle Fairly! The look on her face as Catelyn put two and two together... as she overheard the choice of the unborn child's name... <br /><br />Lady Stoneheart would definitely be a great ending to the season!!! CrazyCrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17512240982215608638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-11143415880417657042013-06-03T16:48:00.608-04:002013-06-03T16:48:00.608-04:00Boy, I do have to get moving with my re-reading......Boy, I do have to get moving with my re-reading...I don't remember anything further happening with Robb's wife in the books (a big revelation), and while I know who Lady Stoneheart is, I didn't remember that it was Beric who revives her.<br />Jess, I also felt that "letdown" - for me I think it was anticipating it for so long and now it's over. I am sure I'll feel that even more next week when we have to wait another year for season 4. And I agree with your assessment of Cat's reaction - I wanted the scratching of the face and the unholy wail....but overall, still very powerful and a wonderful performance by Michelle Fairly.Soozenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-51634101210184588192013-06-03T16:00:22.878-04:002013-06-03T16:00:22.878-04:00Because I liked show Robb and Cat more than book R...Because I liked show Robb and Cat more than book Robb and Cat that was so much worse for me. I put off watching for as long as possible, even considered skipping it altogether at one point. Part of me hopes they don't show the mutilation of Robb's body next week. <br /><br />The question now is will they reveal Lady Stoneheart in the finale or wait until next season? I think they might show us the actual resurrection because it would be odd to introduce Beric and then have him die (for good) off screen reviving Cat. Mark Greighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12984193299389764649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-23434047070915815092013-06-03T13:40:03.472-04:002013-06-03T13:40:03.472-04:00Does anyone else feel a bit of post-wedding letdow...Does anyone else feel a bit of post-wedding letdown? Not in the "that didn't live up to my expectations" sense, but more in the "we've been planning for and anticipating this thing for so long, and now it's over, and I feel a bit at sea" sense. I kind of feel like I did the week after my own wedding. Weird.<br /><br />This episode definitely lived up to my expectations, except for the very final moments. I wanted a much more viscerally mad-crazy reaction from Catelyn, not a quiet, catatonic one. The silence and delayed action after her scream ended up feeling a bit cheesy to me. I wanted to see her tearing at her face and howling that unearthly scream <i>as</i> they put an end to her. The direction they chose felt somewhat underwhelming to me. Or disconcerting, perhaps. The other might have felt a bit more cathartic. A parallel release of disbelief and agony.<br /><br />That said, the material with Arya and the overall focus on missed connections with the Starks was a great central spine for the episode. Despite all the bloodshed and gory imagery from the end, I think the two images that will most stay in my mind from this one are the look on Arya's face as she stood on that hill looking towards the Twins with fear and hope (which brought a rather large lump to my throat), and the look on Ygritte's face as Jon rode away and left her behind. Great, great stuff.Jess Lyndehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165015932507376656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-76335206279824902562013-06-03T13:18:11.473-04:002013-06-03T13:18:11.473-04:00Samantha,
Jeyne didn't go to the wedding. The...Samantha,<br /><br />Jeyne didn't go to the wedding. There was no talk of a baby either. She reappears in A feast for crows, with a big revelation, but I'll avoid it here.Gus Brunettihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15554920460249324531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-28268041680557185722013-06-03T13:04:44.809-04:002013-06-03T13:04:44.809-04:00Just watched last episode and I honestly thought I...Just watched last episode and I honestly thought I was prepared for the Red Wedding, but there is no way one gets prepared for that level of gruesome and barbarity. Now, please enlighten me someone! Did Jeyne go to the red wedding in the book? I can get myself to re-read it...Samantha Gomesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-66689628395287372532013-06-01T16:43:27.046-04:002013-06-01T16:43:27.046-04:00I really hope they will combine AFFC and ADWD, jus...I really hope they will combine AFFC and ADWD, just because it would be more intelligent to do so. But I would be extremely disappointed if I were robbed of Aeron, Victarion, Arys, Hotah and mostly Quentyn.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15825722468737896394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-62495554403904272262013-05-22T09:05:17.817-04:002013-05-22T09:05:17.817-04:00Aside from my increasing irritation at the odd bit...Aside from my increasing irritation at the odd bits of chronology and geography, I'm looking forward to season 4, partly because I think they might deviate from the books a bit more in writing a courtroom drama for King's Landing. And I must admit I find Joffrey's death quite sad, mainly because his mother is right there watching and no matter how horrible she is, that's not nice.<br /><br />What worries me is that we're going to see more of Dorne and the Iron Islands, both of which I can't stand and skip all those chapters in the books (I like Oberyn, but the rest of his family are horribly dull). I'm really, really hoping that Books 4 and 5 get squished together into one season, so we can focus on the characters we already know (and there are enough of them already even without Robb, Joffrey and Tywin) and see as little as possible of the Greyjoys or the Martells. I can't see TV viewers qwho haven't read the books reacting very well to spending loads of time with boring Martells or worse, the deeply unpleasant Greyjoys while beloved characters like Arya, Dany and Tyrion hang around doing nothing much for weeks on end...Juliettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00203399623895589924noreply@blogger.com