tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post5030103444832719919..comments2024-03-28T23:03:57.917-04:00Comments on Doux Reviews: Doctor Who: The God ComplexBillie Douxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17141769005175631213noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-31730844112893773602023-01-25T13:02:02.616-05:002023-01-25T13:02:02.616-05:00I dug this one quite a bit as it felt very much li...I dug this one quite a bit as it felt very much like a classic story with a modern twist. The special effects being a bit less than stellar may have helped with that feeling, but it was also just how it progressed and the subject matter at hand. Pretty solid one for me.Morellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08852528242739450099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-70490521295875728802016-05-24T09:24:17.579-04:002016-05-24T09:24:17.579-04:00I'm always years late to these conversations (...I'm always years late to these conversations (too bad I don't have a time machine...), but can never resist commenting! <br /><br />I figured the Doctor saw one of two things in his room: The Valeyard, because who is the Doctor more afraid of than himself, and specifically his dark side? There were some hints about that in earlier episodes re: the Doctor pointing out good men don't need rules and no one wants to find out how many he has aka he's a bad man and don't you forget it. Or, Rose Tyler dying. Rose is my favourite companion (Donna is a close second) but I suggest her mainly because of the Doctor's speech in Krop Tor "If I believe in one thing, I believe in her", ergo her death is the representative of the death of his belief in anything. So not really about Rose herself. Bit too meta, maybe? <br /><br />For the record, I would've much preferred they left Rose alone in the other world, with the Doctor promising to find his way back to her one day (even if he never did). The doctorganga was just too weird and definitely not one of RTD better ideas. <br /><br />I liked the Doctor breaking Amy's faith in him. Honesty from the man whose first rule is "The Doctor lies". Hmmmm. <br /> Arienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-27479491962507026782011-09-21T16:58:59.463-04:002011-09-21T16:58:59.463-04:00@The Dark Shape...
Melody Pond, in the regenerati...@The Dark Shape...<br /><br />Melody Pond, in the regeneration Amy gave birth to, is still somewhere in the '60s. Mels said that she'd "regenerated into a toddler somewhere in New York." So Amy could get the version of her daughter taken by the eyepatch lady, raise her Melody, have the Doctor take her back to eighty's NYC or whenever when she's regenerating, and still have Mels and River happen. It's complicated, but it works.<br /><br />Sorry if someone already posted this... I didn't want to read through all the comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-46066156223261042812011-09-19T14:54:40.080-04:002011-09-19T14:54:40.080-04:00Haha... indeed, Patryk.Haha... indeed, Patryk.Paul Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01979646022056755322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-2618008771381372092011-09-19T14:46:50.464-04:002011-09-19T14:46:50.464-04:00That's the curse of meta-knowledge. Damn the i...That's the curse of meta-knowledge. Damn the internets! :)Patrykhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13662838711958747484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-66315589646256163132011-09-19T13:58:10.641-04:002011-09-19T13:58:10.641-04:00Great comments, guys and gals. For the sake of cla...Great comments, guys and gals. For the sake of clarity, I'm not suggesting there haven't been incidents throughout the season (or indeed last season) which could be taken as hints that Rory and Amy might one day leave the show. I'm simply interpreting them in light of the fact that both Arthur and Karen are contracted to appear next season. I simply assumed they'd overcome their doubts, and move on. <br /><br />Companions <i>always</i> have grounds for leaving. Every episode seems to pose some threat. They either almost die, actually die, watch someone else die, make enormous personal sacrifices, or end up disappointed in the Doctor somehow. But we don't expect them to leave eleven episode into a thirteen episode run. Especially when we know they're <i>still</i> under contract. For me, that totally ruined the emotional clout of Rory and Amy leaving.Paul Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01979646022056755322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-74002082102717488402011-09-19T08:26:27.377-04:002011-09-19T08:26:27.377-04:00"The "Why aren't they freaking out a..."The "Why aren't they freaking out about Melody?" vs. "Because they saw her grow up" debate reminds me of the different reactions to Rose getting a Doctoganger imitation rather than the real thing. For some, it feels like it should be enough; for others, it feels almost worse than no Doctor at all."<br /><br />Because Amy doesn't demand to take Melody back, thus invalidating her own childhood, her relationship with Rory, and the fact she knows Melody grows up and is okay?<br /><br />I really think people shrug off the growing up together thing too easily. Amy may not have been there to make Melody soup, but she was definitely there to make sure her uber-rebellious nature didn't get her into major trouble.<br /><br />And I hate Rose/clone Doctor because it undermines Doomsday, not because of the ridiculously convenient clone. :)The Dark Shapenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-2200364067214439362011-09-19T06:20:20.388-04:002011-09-19T06:20:20.388-04:00I think the problem with the debate over whether R...I think the problem with the debate over whether Rory and Amy should be making more of a fuss about Melody is that it's an emotional, character-based problem. Fr some people, the plot-based explanation of why they can't go after her is enough. For others (including me, I must admit) the emotional reality of being a parent (not that I am one!) doesn't gel with the plot, and the story doesn't make sense on an emotional level - Amy and Rory should either be tearing apart time and space to get their daughter back, or they should be very, very cross indeed. It isn't the plot that's annoying people so much as Amy and Rory's characters' reactions to the plot.<br /><br />I wish New Who would either kill off/get rid of some companions, or stop teasing us with the possibility. I was, once again, left totally cold by the end of the episode because I know it won't stick. The only plot of this kind that's made an impact was Rory getting killed and then swallowed by the Crack, and that was only because at the time, there was some sense that he might not come back (glad as I was that he did, since I like him, but still...)Juliettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00203399623895589924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-50065818851229499502011-09-19T03:57:21.319-04:002011-09-19T03:57:21.319-04:00"But why the Doctor's sudden concern over..."But why the Doctor's sudden concern over his companions' welfare? They die every other week. What made this week different?"<br /><br />Several things, which is understandable given this was an exceedingly dense episode (lots of material dense, not dumb as a brick dense).<br /><br />*There's the build up from last week's episode. The Doctor failed them then. Both Rory and future Amy call the Doctor on his mistake, and both don't want to travel with him any more. Rory says it explicitly. Just because Future Amy's gone now doesn't mean she never existed in the first place.<br />*Rita's death. She was clearly companion material -- smart, capable, kind, with a strong margin for weirdness. But she rejected him and died, after the Doctor promises that "No one shall die today." He was certain he could keep that promise, and he couldn't. Repeatedly. Even the fish. (And think about it, that fish is a blatant metaphor. The Doctor waltzed into its life, destroyed its tank during one of his adventures, saved it, took it somewhere else -- on the fishy equivalent of an adventure -- and got it killed. It dies at exactly the same moment Rita does, killed by a predator beyond its comprehension.) Rita's death, on top of everyone else's, hammered it home. He can't always keep his friends safe.<br />*What did you think the Doctor saw behind the door? His reaction says it all: he saw his companions and his TARDIS dead (we heard the cloister bell chiming as well, and that only happens when the TARDIS is severely damaged.) He decided to save them from his nightmares.<br /><br />Also, I think you've misread the scene where the Doctor breaks Amy's faith in himself, due to its similarities to the scene from Curse Of Fenric. In Fenric the Doctor was lieing. He's telling the truth here. What he says to Amy (your faith in me is misplaced, I can't always be there for you, one day my actions will get you killed, and only you can save yourself) does save her, and therefore seems like a lie. But at the time he's saying it, it's the truth. He gives into fear, in the same way that Amy does. Only by embracing the in-escapability of their situation can they escape it. It's a paradox -- he at once reaffirms and denies her faith. <br /><br />(And, also, the complete opposite of how the Doctor's presented in the first half of the season/Night Thoughts. There he's a man who saves people from the monsters -- he even gets a Jesus like death sequences complete with final supper/picnic. In The Doctor's Wife, A Good Man Goes To War onwards, he's a far more ambiguous figure. Several episodes have mentions of him not being seen clearly (Sexy's "death" from the Doctor's Wife and the end of this episode, for two), and his "death" in Lets Kill Hitler is more pointless, more pathetic. Killed by a kiss. Comes out of nowhere.)Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-28227187176992049112011-09-19T02:21:52.213-04:002011-09-19T02:21:52.213-04:00Like I wrote in the review for last's week epi...Like I wrote in the review for last's week episode. They started to set up a departure.<br /><br />Next week is a standalone? What no more two-parters to finish up a season? Maybe it's a hidden part 1. :)Patrykhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13662838711958747484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-19533342744714552072011-09-18T23:42:33.387-04:002011-09-18T23:42:33.387-04:00The "Why aren't they freaking out about M...The "Why aren't they freaking out about Melody?" vs. "Because they saw her grow up" debate reminds me of the different reactions to Rose getting a Doctoganger imitation rather than the real thing. For some, it feels like it should be enough; for others, it feels almost worse than no Doctor at all.<br /><br />I'm in the "Why are they freaking out?" camp, myself. If I found out that my childhood best friend Lindsey was actually my daughter, I'd be horrified, because I was never a mother to her. I never made her soup when she was sick or read her bedtime stories. Knowing how she grew up--and possibly helping to mold her character as any close friend does for another--doesn't substitute for motherhood, <i>for me</i>.<br /><br />Especially given our patchy knowledge of Melody's pre-River (pre-Alex Kingston) adventures, including the little girl we saw her turn into, I'd have a hard time, as Amy and Rory, not saying: "We know she's our friend Mels later in her timeline and regeneration cycles; we know she's River even after that. But what about her infant years? Can't we get those, even if it means avoiding crossing our own timelines from, say 1986 to 2011?"<br /><br />That Rory and Amy aren't saying that doesn't feel particularly organic to me. It feels a bit more like the writers are begging the question, although I supposed we can see the Melody problem as part of Rory's increasing disenchantment with the Doctor.<br /><br />I have seen some crazy internet speculation about timelines, though. Maybe there's a wibbly wobbly explanation for the mother thing.<br /><br />Maybe Mark Sheppard as Canton Evert Delaware III is her nanny.Josie Kafkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17892717530356699008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-31017020981474725562011-09-18T21:15:35.490-04:002011-09-18T21:15:35.490-04:00"I get your point about them not being able t..."I get your point about them not being able to go after Melody. But wouldn't Amy still want to try, bearing in mind the sort of upbringing Melody's been subjected to? Wouldn't that be a mother's natural response... even if it did carry the risk of altering aspects of her own past? Isn't this the risk they take virtually every week, anyway? Amy just seemed to give up."<br /><br />But Amy saw Melody grow up. She spent the first 22 years of her life with her.The Dark Shapenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-46630677192940955442011-09-18T20:38:15.181-04:002011-09-18T20:38:15.181-04:00I'd be sad to see Amy and Rory go, but I did s...I'd be sad to see Amy and Rory go, but I did see it coming at the end of this ep.<br />Last episode, older Amy had lost faith in the doc. This week, he had to actively destroy her faith in him. He called her Amy WILLIAMS.. her married name. Since there was always some sort of "extra" happening between them, to me that came accross as another way for him to say, let it go... let ME go.<br /><br />The episode in general was a bit meh to me, I guess like you said it Paul, the seperate elements didn't "gel" right.<br /><br />Ahh anyway. I was deeply moved by the end of the episode and of course I hope they will be back.<br />They should be, with the doc dying and River/Melody being involved and all that.<br /><br />Was glad to see the review up, right after I watched. (think it wasn't earlier?) Thanks!Alynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-64923906894480013972011-09-18T20:31:53.277-04:002011-09-18T20:31:53.277-04:00Hi The Doctor Donna,
I think Donna appealed to mo...Hi The Doctor Donna,<br /><br />I think Donna appealed to most people, old and young. She was exactly what was needed after Rose and Martha. And no need to apologise. Everything I say is just my opinion, too :o)Paul Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01979646022056755322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-8890494317045385012011-09-18T20:27:38.958-04:002011-09-18T20:27:38.958-04:00Hello The Dark Shape,
I get your point about them...Hello The Dark Shape,<br /><br />I get your point about them not being able to go after Melody. But wouldn't Amy still want to try, bearing in mind the sort of upbringing Melody's been subjected to? Wouldn't that be a mother's natural response... even if it <i>did</i> carry the risk of altering aspects of her own past? Isn't this the risk they take virtually every week, anyway? Amy just seemed to give up.<br /><br />Oh, and if you get a chance, Confidential's well worth a look.Paul Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01979646022056755322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-78492479495541350812011-09-18T20:19:58.196-04:002011-09-18T20:19:58.196-04:00And, just to clarify, when I say Amy is a 'Don...And, just to clarify, when I say Amy is a 'Donna-replacement,' I meant with the sassy, extroverted attitude, the red hair being a prominent physical feature, the flirty nature, and the runaway bride subplot. The reason I prefer Donna to Amy is because Amy has the Sue characteristic added, like the fact that she's undeniably hot, gets 'saved' a lot, and has really random/strange/somewhat absurd connections to The Doctor. <br /><br />Again, sorry if all this does is make you think me a very bad excuse for a Whovian. It's just my opinion.The Doctor Donnanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-49755611730488379772011-09-18T20:14:38.833-04:002011-09-18T20:14:38.833-04:00Maybe it's because I'm such a weirdo, but ...Maybe it's because I'm such a weirdo, but I never grew fond of Amy. I did grow to like Rory once he grew a spine and stopped dying all over the place. But I always saw Amy as a mix between a Mary Sue and Donna. I loved Donna. To me, Amy always seemed to be a Donna-replacement with some strange connections and some Sue-ish back story thrown in. I'm not too upset to see Amy go if this is for real. Honestly, even though I knew it wouldn't happen, I was hoping Older Amy would live on...I liked Older Amy from last week so much better. She's mature, she kicks ass. <br /><br />That said, this episode was ok. I really hope Craig's reaction to reuniting with The Doctor next week is, "Oh...damn." And here come the Cybermen in what looks like their first legitimate villain appearance since Ten became Eleven!The Doctor Donnanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-3896838221560873332011-09-18T19:47:41.555-04:002011-09-18T19:47:41.555-04:00Also don't see how you can think Amy and Rory&...Also don't see how you can think Amy and Rory's departure came out of nowhere considering last week and a billion hints during the episode itself.The Dark Shapenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-40965277940901342302011-09-18T19:46:02.455-04:002011-09-18T19:46:02.455-04:00"Isn't Melody still out there, waiting to..."Isn't Melody still out there, waiting to be found?"<br /><br />NO.<br /><br />I see all sorts of posts like this. "Why aren't they going after Melody?" Because they can't. They know exactly where Melody is. The Doctor and company could swoop into Leadworth some time around 1992 and 'save' her. But it would completely alter almost everything about Rory and Amy's history, including (potentially) whether they even got together.<br /><br />In other news, I liked the episode quite a lot more than you, Paul, and didn't find it very confusing (and I haven't seen Confidential).The Dark Shapenoreply@blogger.com