tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post5465599012950536430..comments2024-03-28T15:33:02.296-04:00Comments on Doux Reviews: Game of Thrones Book Spoiler Thread (Season Five)Billie Douxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17141769005175631213noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-62807640589933291472015-06-18T08:19:52.558-04:002015-06-18T08:19:52.558-04:00Darlton were known for being very evasive and dece...Darlton were known for being very evasive and deceptive without technically lying on the LOST podcasts, so you always had to look for the loophole. In the case of D&D, I get the feeling they're more likely to just tell a straightforward lie to preserve the surprise.<br /><br />But who knows? Maybe Jon really is permanently dead, in the books and on the show, and it's just another hate letter from GRRM to the idea of "romantic" fantasy.TheShadowKnowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11073693648569864707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-80860161979120873642015-06-17T13:37:01.309-04:002015-06-17T13:37:01.309-04:00Jon's definitely not (going to stay) dead in t...Jon's definitely not (going to stay) dead in the books, but I'm uncertain whether D&D are lying and he'll come back in the show, or they're doing another Stoneheart and leaving him dead. I can't see that working though, the narrative really needs him. Another possibility, given they and Harington both insisted he wouldn't be back next season, is he's away for season 6 and back for season 7...Juliettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00203399623895589924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-15723289998772821192015-06-15T23:01:31.834-04:002015-06-15T23:01:31.834-04:00The TV show actually showed Melisandre talking to ...The TV show actually showed Melisandre talking to the Red Priest about the resurrections he'd been performing.<br /><br />Getting some "how-to" tips maybe?TheShadowKnowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11073693648569864707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-11248262421496955582015-06-15T22:50:27.087-04:002015-06-15T22:50:27.087-04:00Yes, Beric Dondarian underwent repeated resurrecti...Yes, Beric Dondarian underwent repeated resurrections. Josie Kafkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17892717530356699008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-31842480394771570242015-06-15T18:57:12.853-04:002015-06-15T18:57:12.853-04:00Is the concept of resurrection by the red god esta...Is the concept of resurrection by the red god established in the series? I can't quite remeber.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-79338250482307010562015-06-15T18:41:03.065-04:002015-06-15T18:41:03.065-04:00Jon Snow better not be freaking dead in the books....Jon Snow better not be freaking dead in the books. SERIOUSLY.sunbunnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08553429350476841139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-57589954856488533592015-06-15T13:10:04.690-04:002015-06-15T13:10:04.690-04:00That was pretty grim. Plenty more fresh gloom pil...That was pretty grim. Plenty more fresh gloom piled on top of Jon Snow's expected death. I had assumed Ramsay was lying in the book about wiping out Stannis' army, but I guess it's probably going to happen way or another. RIP Stannis you poor fool.TheShadowKnowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11073693648569864707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-8788449094749459312015-06-08T18:49:47.937-04:002015-06-08T18:49:47.937-04:00#werenotwaitingforyoutofinishthatnextbook#werenotwaitingforyoutofinishthatnextbookAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-51816351938800891092015-06-08T15:38:53.285-04:002015-06-08T15:38:53.285-04:00Although I'm sorry to see Shireen go, I'm ...Although I'm sorry to see Shireen go, I'm not really surprised. Stannis is a religious fanatic (or at least enables them for his own purposes) and he had his own brother assassinated. He's not a good guy.<br /><br />The scene was still pretty harrowing though. Ser Meryn the Chicken Hawk didn't make the episode any easier to stomach either. Ugh!TheShadowKnowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11073693648569864707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-46539346181990859032015-06-08T15:24:52.918-04:002015-06-08T15:24:52.918-04:00As horrible as it was to watch, I think I have to ...As horrible as it was to watch, I think I have to disagree with you Sunbunny. Stannis loved Shireen, which makes it a sacrifice. He is so devoted to his cause at this point, so brainwashed by Mellisandre, that I believe he truly thinks this is the only way to win Winterfell. <br /><br />GRRM was even the one who suggested this plot twist, so there has to be some validity to it. Selyse is a broken person, her disconnect with her daughter stemmed from loosing all those children at birth. After the dragonscale, she turned away from her husband and daughter and threw herself into her faith. Yet, when it came to the moment, watching her daughter get burned alive brought up the trauma she has been suppressing with her insanity. <br /><br />For me, Stannis has never been a good man, he is a zealot, and I've never understood how anyone could root for him.Samantha M. Quinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02340568293992559934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-13951344852313547452015-06-08T14:53:15.843-04:002015-06-08T14:53:15.843-04:00As beyond adjectives horrible as Sansa's rape ...As beyond adjectives horrible as Sansa's rape was, it was something that could happen in terms of character. Ramsey is...Ramsey. But this is just...Stannis wouldn't do that, and Selyse would NOT be the one freaking out about it. Switch those roles. Melissandre...yeah she would. It's actually been one of my biggest fears for the books while reading that Melissandre would go behind Stannis's back to kill Shireen with Selyse's help. I wonder if any of the changes D&D make are going to end up not hurting girls? Find a new tune, boys. This one's getting old.<br /><br />It's not a spoiler, but I also need to say that Dany riding Drogon was probably the worst CGI the show's ever done. Very disappointing. He looked great on the ground, but the second she climbed up on him it was...let's just say not up to their usual, very high CGI standard.sunbunnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08553429350476841139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-88339566219892868292015-06-08T13:55:44.527-04:002015-06-08T13:55:44.527-04:00Well, that was unpleasant.Well, that was unpleasant.TheShadowKnowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11073693648569864707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-21659343797968366962015-06-02T05:44:29.411-04:002015-06-02T05:44:29.411-04:00Yeah the show is its own thing now, though lining ...Yeah the show is its own thing now, though lining up with the books in various ways - every time a non book reader says 'hey do you think that Olly kid might plan to do something to stop Jon?' I have to go very quiet! Yeah I think he might...<br /><br />I think the reason Tormund killed the Lord o Bones was to put to rest the idea that they'll do the book storyline there. If they're not doing Stoneheart because they don't want to lessen the impact of Catelyn's death, there's no way they're gonna reveal Mance is suddenly alive, and Brienne has taken his place in the plot.<br /><br />Presumably Stannis will get mad at Melisandre for wanting to sacrifice Shireen and send her back to the Wall, since, though none of us know what's going with Jon after the end of ADWD, general consensus is she's likely to be involved somehow? I thought warging might also be involved, but the show hasn't set it up at all. (That's why I don't think Yara will show up at the battle either - this season has done nothing to set that up. It's mentioned Theon is a Greyjoy a few times, but I don't think that's enough. For TV audiences it would come out of nowhere if it happened now).Juliettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00203399623895589924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-62553616396995545212015-06-01T21:10:42.626-04:002015-06-01T21:10:42.626-04:00They've clearly diverged wildly. I would be s...They've clearly diverged wildly. I would be surprised if they even end the same way at this point (actually, I'll be surprised if GRRM finishes the books at all).<br /><br />I'm not worried about it myself.TheShadowKnowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11073693648569864707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-63260049681045547292015-06-01T19:55:22.920-04:002015-06-01T19:55:22.920-04:00Sunbunny, that's an interesting point about &q...Sunbunny, that's an interesting point about "canon" and "canon compatible." <br /><br />I've just accepted the show as its own canon at this point.<br /><br />What about everyone else?Josie Kafkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17892717530356699008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-48294042444378490012015-06-01T19:47:52.504-04:002015-06-01T19:47:52.504-04:00I really like Tyrion and Dany meeting. His storyli...I really like Tyrion and Dany meeting. His storyline was PAINFULLY dull in ADWD and hers had its moments but was still characterized by a lot of wishy washy agonizing over what to do.<br /><br />I loved the White Walker battle. It's not canon but it's (sort of) canon compatible? Wasn't the Hardhome thing in the books that Jon sent people but they got there too late? The scene had the same result: saving some Wildlings, losing a whole lot more. Plus we're reminded of the very real threat the White Walkers pose, confirm that Valyrian steel is awesome, and see some much needed action.<br /><br />In addition to the Greyjoys, Tyrion also left the Martells out of his wheel analogy. Of all of the houses in Westeros, they would be the most likely to support Dany's rule, given their ties to that dynasty, their hatred of everyone else in Westeros, and their progressive view on gender equality. Seems worth mentioning.<br /><br />Are they still doing the Mance Rayder/Lord of Bones thing?sunbunnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08553429350476841139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-70181224027130812702015-06-01T15:29:05.052-04:002015-06-01T15:29:05.052-04:00After last night's episode, I was pondering th...After last night's episode, I was pondering the interesting pacing of Arya's story and what it might mean. By the end of this season, all the other story threads will either have been kicked to the curb, brought to their current resting spots in the books, moved beyond the books, or shifted into totally different territory. But it looks like Arya is pushing towards killing someone she's not supposed to (probably Meryn Trant in this version), and then being struck blind. Which is only part way through her book journey. I wonder if they wanted to stretch things out with her a little more so that they could parallel her warging abilities with whatever is coming up with Bran and with what might happen next with Jon.Jess Lyndehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165015932507376656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-61440569535633565782015-06-01T15:07:22.733-04:002015-06-01T15:07:22.733-04:00I haven't completely given up on the idea that...I haven't completely given up on the idea that Asha (Yara?) will turn up in the midst of Bolton v. Stannis clash, but I think they may be letting the rest of that Greyjoy stuff slide. Balon's still alive, right? So no need for the Kingsmoot and all that. Which is fine by me.<br /><br />(Side note: You'd think Stannis would have pointed out that Melissandre's blood magic didn't take out the third usurper on his list when she was pressuring him to kill his daughter. He's kind of a stickler for details. Maybe next time we see him?)Jess Lyndehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165015932507376656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-77456283961568350982015-06-01T14:54:08.552-04:002015-06-01T14:54:08.552-04:00Oooh, one other interesting thing - Show Tyrion st...Oooh, one other interesting thing - Show Tyrion still trusts Jaime, which presumably Book Tyrion doesn't any more. No idea if that's relevant or if they'll ever meet again (I got the sense maybe not from the way the show handled their goodbye) but interesting...Juliettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00203399623895589924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-76325764177112358322015-06-01T14:50:52.254-04:002015-06-01T14:50:52.254-04:00I noticed once again no Greyjoys apart from Theon ...I noticed once again no Greyjoys apart from Theon were mentioned when logically they should have been (Tyrion and Dany left them out of their discussion of rival houses and rival kings, when surely Balon Greyjoy's claim should have got a mention at least). I'll have no problem at all if the show just quietly gives up on the Greyjoy storyline because I find it dull as ditchwater, but do you think that's what they're doing? Or will the Greyjoys be back next year when the decks have cleared a bit?Juliettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00203399623895589924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-54331651015713320752015-06-01T14:42:00.456-04:002015-06-01T14:42:00.456-04:00Yeah it was awesome! I'm so, so glad we're...Yeah it was awesome! I'm so, so glad we're seeing so much of Tyrion and Dany together. Books 4 and 5 felt so much like waiting endlessly for people to get to places they never get to, it feels great to get so much forward movement. And I got chills watching the army of the dead stand up - Jon explains that obviously this will happen in the books but that's nothing like actually seeing it!Juliettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00203399623895589924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-83743537017149780902015-05-31T22:52:29.966-04:002015-05-31T22:52:29.966-04:00That episode was wild! Almost nothing from the bo...That episode was wild! Almost nothing from the books in it.TheShadowKnowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11073693648569864707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-1521132221502100572015-05-25T23:20:00.442-04:002015-05-25T23:20:00.442-04:00A thought: since it appears the show has scrapped ...A thought: since it appears the show has scrapped the stuff with her nephew, and given the death of Aemon, is Daenerys now the last surviving "pure" Valyrian?TheShadowKnowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11073693648569864707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-47525622918321269602015-05-25T15:19:53.695-04:002015-05-25T15:19:53.695-04:00At least it was only ATTEMPTED rape this week. I ...At least it was only ATTEMPTED rape this week. I really do think they could ease up on the sexual assault though. We get the point guys; it's time to move on.<br /><br />On another note, even though she didn't dig her own grave quite as elaborately as she did in the book, it was still a thrill to see Cersei tossed in a cell!TheShadowKnowshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11073693648569864707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-86180366022109792962015-05-19T12:16:10.339-04:002015-05-19T12:16:10.339-04:00I think that's maybe why they had the Sparrow&...I think that's maybe why they had the Sparrow's followers put the High Septon through the "walk of shame" a few episodes ago. It didn't happen that way in the book, and I think maybe the intent was to show that this particular method of punishment isn't about humiliating or sexually shaming <i>women</i> per se. This is an approach they use for anyone that doesn't adhere to their moral codes.<br /><br />It will be interesting to see how people react though. Especially if this same type of punishment doesn't end up befalling Loras. Personally, I can't wait for Cersei to be brought low, but that's because I <i>really</i> hate book Cersei. They've tried to soften her on the show --- which bugs the crap out of me --- so I'm not sure if the audience will be as on board with her downfall.Jess Lyndehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165015932507376656noreply@blogger.com