tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post8167366760658317389..comments2024-03-29T09:13:52.064-04:00Comments on Doux Reviews: Star Trek Discovery: The War Without, The War WithinBillie Douxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17141769005175631213noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-62603610261103739662018-02-13T14:16:56.475-05:002018-02-13T14:16:56.475-05:00I just got to this episode (it's been a rough ...I just got to this episode (it's been a rough couple of weeks and not on top of my shows) and -- wait, firstly, terrific review, Mark. I really enjoyed what you said, especially <i>Dude, in that situation I think it's more than fair to say that it's not her, it's most certainly you</i>. :) While I think that giving Ash an ankle monitor makes sense, and I get his crewmates trying their best not to shun him, emotionally I am totally with Michael here. There's no way she can simply adjust to what he is -- whatever he actually is -- when he turned on her that way. She wasn't in love with a Klingon, like he kept saying. She was in love with the facade, the genetic memory, of Ash Tyler. Whether or not he really is Ash, whether or not the Klingonectomy worked and Voq is actually gone forever, remains to be seen. <br /><br />About Georgiou -- I do kind of get why the Admiral put her in command. The Emperor destroyed the Klingon homeworld before, so hey, let's let her do it again. Trusting her, though, no way. I haven't seen the season finale yet, but I am hoping that the Admiral didn't just decide to trust Georgiou, that there's something in reserve, just in case. I like the Admiral. I want her to be a real Star Trek anomaly, a competent Admiral. <br /><br />Interestingly, my favorite scenes in this episode were all Sarek. Like Zachary Quinto, James Frain has taken on a much loved Vulcan character and made it his own. I enjoyed the Sarek versus Georgiou scene a lot, as he showed his pride in his adopted daughter Michael and kept one-upping Georgiou's memories of the other Michael. And the scene where Sarek said goodbye to Michael, his obvious pride in her and the way he almost but not quite said "I love you," was perfectly Vulcan. <br /><br />Heather1, I think you must be right that we're getting more time travel. We know that Sarek lives until Next Gen. If Michael is never going to see him again (and please, no! I really want James Frain to come back) then it's Michael who will be leaving this 'verse, not Sarek. Right?<br /><br />And now I'm watching the finale. Back with a finale comment in about an hour. Billie Douxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17141769005175631213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-25893861951497251322018-02-08T10:12:58.793-05:002018-02-08T10:12:58.793-05:00Heather1, I agree with your complaints. Although I...Heather1, I agree with your complaints. Although I could at least partially excuse Ash's accusations against Michael - he's under enormous stress and therefore probably not entirely rational. And letting him roam the ship, while extremely stupid, can be almost, barely, explained by Saru trying to be kind and taking it too far. But letting Emperor Georgiou impersonate the Prime Georgiou makes no sense whatsoever. If they think they need someone ruthless to command the mission then OK, fair enough. But keeping it a secret from the crew puts them at unnecessary risk and gains them absolutely nothing.Michal Dvorakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09047652605478282288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-23207427020560155342018-02-07T15:37:57.823-05:002018-02-07T15:37:57.823-05:00It does in my book, but I don't know what lang...It does in my book, but I don't know what language experts would say. Maybe there's a word for eating other sentient species that we're not aware of. Xenosapientilism or such. :)Patrykhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13662838711958747484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-63538083594165097332018-02-07T11:40:00.881-05:002018-02-07T11:40:00.881-05:00Patryk, does it still count as cannibalism when th...Patryk, does it still count as cannibalism when the sentient species you're eating is not your own? Mark Greighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12984193299389764649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-20176579036758219562018-02-07T10:54:08.839-05:002018-02-07T10:54:08.839-05:00I am not a big fan of this episode. The colossal s...I am not a big fan of this episode. The colossal stupidity of having Mirror Georgiou impersonating Prime Georgiou and giving her the captain's chair is mind-boggling. I could understand if everyone on Discovery and the Federation was in on the ruse. Then it would be a strategy to fool the Klingons. But I simply don't understand keeping it from everyone.<br /><br />The slap on the wrist to Tyler was unbelievably stupid. They know so little of what went on... and understand it even less. Even if it turns out that Voq is truly gone and only Tyler remains, why would Saru not be more prudent?<br /><br />And Tyler's weakness and sense of victimization in front of Michael was cringe worthy. I'm glad she broke up with him. He's way too weak for her.<br /><br />The one thing I found intriguing was Michael's reaction to her farewell with Sarek. We know that Sarek doesn't die... and with time travel a subject that is floating about... I wonder if Discovery will somehow time travel to the future... beyond TNG, DS9 and Voyager? I adore the whole idea of the spore technology and wonder if this could be a way of somehow keeping this technology. Perhaps something happens that requires the Federation to bury the knowledge. Discovery ends up in the future and spore technology can be used without affecting canon. And this is why Michael never sees Sarek again. Of course, the nagging problem with that is... why have the first season be set in the time that it is in the first place? I don't have the answer to that one. Come to think of it, the whole first series could have been set in the future (without Sarek... Vulcans are long lived... but not that long. And of course, we know when he dies... during the Unification episodes of TNG). But the theme could have been that no matter how well established a civilization's ideals are, society can lose its way. And must struggle to remember what they stand for.Heather1https://www.blogger.com/profile/09736870202194851186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13727952.post-3803183502208672092018-02-07T10:48:31.084-05:002018-02-07T10:48:31.084-05:00I guess I could forgive the countless implied geno...I guess I could forgive the countless implied genocies of Emperor Georgiou but not the cannibalism. So I hope she's temporary and only for the season finale.<br /><br />I also hope that Lorca Prime is alive, I noticed they did not remove Isaacs from the credits so there is still hope.<br /><br />The fact this was the 2nd to last episode cought me by suprise. I expected another break and some more episodes in the spring.<br /><br />About Ash: I think they drowned out his plotline too much by the reveal in the middle of the Mirror Arc where so much more was going on so It does not resonate with me a whole lot and I'd be ok with the writers writing him out next week.Patrykhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13662838711958747484noreply@blogger.com