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Angel: Not Fade Away

Angel: "This may come out a little pretentious, but one of you will betray me."
Spike: "Can I deny you three times?"

I know Joss Whedon loves to break our hearts, but this is ridiculous.

The title refers to the old quotation, "Old soldiers never die. They just fade away." This should have been my first clue that Everybody Was Going to Freaking Die. I expected death; last week's preview said someone would die, and I even suspected that it would be tormented, exhausted Wesley. But come on! Joss Whedon has reason to hate The WB. Does he hate the fans, too?

Don't get me wrong. Most of the episode was absolutely terrific. The "what would you do if it were your last day" thing was poignant and beautifully in character: Angel spending time with Connor; Lorne singing on stage; Lindsey making love with Eve; Spike getting drunk in a bar and performing his poetry; and Gunn going back to see his old friends in the neighborhood. Wesley made the most touching choice, spending his last day mending Fred's soulless ghost of flesh.

But I hated all of the deaths. I saw Lindsey's assassination coming, and it really pissed me off – especially because (1) he could have been on the path to redemption, and (2) he was killed in cold blood by our own sweet green Lorne, who didn't need that death on his conscience. I adored Lindsey, dammit. The only thing that upset me more was Wesley's death in "Fred's" arms. Five years ago, when he debuted as Buffy's new, prissy Watcher, I couldn't stand Wesley, but for the past two years, he's been my favorite character. Too much, dammit. Too much.

Illyria grew as a character, i.e., her willingness to join the battle, her concern for Gunn, her tenderness and grief for Wesley ("Would you like me to lie to you now?") But I'm still sad that there was no resurrection for Fred. Illyria told Wesley that he was going to be with Fred. I would like to believe that Illyria knew something we didn't, that something of Fred's soul survived after all. I would like to believe that Fred went to the same heavenly dimension Buffy once occupied, and that Wesley joined her there.

The fight with Hamilton was too long and crashy, although I loved Connor saving the day, and Angel drinking Hamilton's power. I'm glad there was such terrific closure with Connor. I found the following exchange particularly touching: Connor: "They'll destroy you." Angel: "As long as you're okay, they can't." I'm a mom, I can relate. I'm also pleased that Lorne lived, because he's a big favorite of mine as well.

But I hated the end. Hated it, hated it, hated it. We've been hearing about the Shanshu prophecy since the end of season one, and Angel just signed it away. Yes, technically Spike could still fulfill the Shanshu prophecy, and Angel and Spike (as well as Gunn and Illyria) could have survived the onslaught somehow, but clearly, we're not meant to believe that they did. We were left thinking that they're all going to die, fighting the good fight. And yes, in a karmic sense, that may be just what should happen.

But we may never have another series set in the Buffyverse. Many have guessed that The WB lied about possible TV movies to placate the angry fans. As much as I wish it weren't so, this is most likely The End. We'll never know what happened to these characters we've loved for so many years. Angel did not fulfill the Shanshu prophecy, the five-year promise made to his character, and now he never will. I feel cheated, angry, and hurt.

Would it have been so hard for them to leave our heroes alive and fighting evil, to have one of our ensouled vampires receive the big Reward, and to leave Lindsey in charge of Wolfram & Hart?

Tying up the loose strings, bits and pieces:

— There was one final appearance of Anne, a.k.a. Lily, a.k.a. Chanterelle, our lady of the homeless shelter, still using Buffy's middle name. We never did find out what her real name was.

— Angel did kill Drogyn, after all.

— Harmony's last good scene was reminiscing about high school and her death on graduation night, which was appropriate for the character. I wasn't surprised that she betrayed Angel.

— Spike's poem for Cecily first appeared in "Fool for Love," my favorite Buffy episode.

— Gunn got to slay vamps with the double stakes in the alley, just like Angel in the pilot. And the place where they made their last stand was north of the Hyperion, the same alley where the show began. Full circle.

— Lindsey's last word was "Angel." I find that touching. I think Lindsey really did love Angel, in his own twisted way.

— We got one last tune from Lorne, "If I Ruled the World." I wish we'd gotten one from Lindsey. A duet would have been fun.

— "Your friends at the WB," my ass. Their little goodbye tribute actually gave Angel's age as 277, which shows how little they know or care about their own shows. They obviously have contempt for the "intelligent people who like depth in their shows" demographic, so I'm sure they won't miss me.


Spike: "Yeah, we're all one big happy Manson family."

Archduke: "The Circle does not abide secrets."
Angel: "Which is interesting for a secret society."

Lindsey: "Everybody goes on about your soul. A vampire with a soul. Nobody ever mentions the fact that you're a vampire with really big brass testes."

Angel: "I want you, Lindsey." (pause) "I'm thinking about rephrasing that."

Spike: "First off, I'm not wearing any amulets, no bracelets, broaches, beads, pendants, pins or rings."

Connor: "Come on. You drop by for a cup of coffee and the world's not ending? Please."

Gunn: "You take the thirty thousand on the left."

Angel: "Well, personally, I kind of want to slay the dragon."

Let me close with Spike's poem, since he has improved so much over the past one hundred and twenty years. Too bad we didn't get to hear "The Wanton Folly of Me Mum."

My soul is wrapped in harsh repose
Midnight descends in raven-colored clothes
But soft, behold – a sunlight beam
Cutting a swath of glimmering gleam
My heart expands. It's grown a bulge 'n it
Inspired by your beauty effulgent.

The writing, the emotion, the fidelity to the characters – all four stakes out of four. But the rushed, painful, black ending broke my heart. It didn't have to end this way.

Over and out,

Billie Doux reviewed all of Buffy and Angel, so she knows the plural of apocalypse.


  1. Just read through all these old Angel reviews, and while I usually am on board, I have to say, I interpreted this one entirely differently. And I absolutely love it.

    You absolutely aren't supposed to assume they all died, I think. You -can-, but that's the point--they don't show us the ending, just that the fight goes on. If you think it's more poignant for them to die, great. If you think they pulled a victory out of it, that's good too (and Angel and the crew have been in situations just as bad and somehow survived).

    It's like the ending of Inception--the internet can argue all it wants about whether he was or wasn't in a dream, but in the end, the movie doesn't show us. We don't know. We can only choose what we feel is the proper ending, and that ambiguity is exactly the point. Same thing here--we have to decide for ourselves if there's any hope in the endless battle between good and evil and all that.

    For me, I choose to believe they make it, and that there is a purpose to it all. That's always been the theme of Angel: the battle never ends, but the good guys keep fighting, even when it seems hopeless. And in the end, they find a way to keep the fight alive.

  2. One of the earliest pieces of direct correspondence I remember sending Billie was about how I had a much more positive reaction to the Angel finale then she did. As you say, Ben, the team going out fighting the good fight was (for me) a perfect, fitting finale for the show and this episode remains one of my favorite series finales. Although I wish the television series could have continued, I love the note they rested on, and have no desire to know how the story continued in the comics. That moment in the alley perfectly encapsulated everything the series had always been about --- as you say, "the battle never ends, but the good guys keep fighting, even when it seems hopeless."

    To counter Billie on this one once more: I loved the end. Loved it, loved it, loved it. :)

  3. A lot of people have disagreed with my final Angel review, and I totally get it. But it was absolutely how I felt at the time, and I had to be honest about my reaction. I haven't watched Angel in awhile. Maybe I'll feel differently when I see it again, with a little distance. And knowing that there was a comic book canon season six.

    Thanks so much for your comment, Ben. And Jess, I honestly didn't remember that this was one of our earliest interactions. I'm so glad you reminded me.

  4. Funny story: a long, long time ago, I was watching tv late at night and Angel was on. I had never seen it and, let's admit it, Buffy and Angel seem to be silly shows if you have never seen it, just heard about it. Since I had nothing better to do, I watched it. I couldn't follow the story because I knew none of the characters, only Spike, somehow, though I thought *he* was Angel. When I finally got to watch Buffy and Angel from beginning to end, I payed attention to see which episode I had watched, of which I remembered only flashes. Turns out it was this one. The very first episode of the Buffyverse I watched was the last one of them all.

    And I'm with Jess on this one. I love the Finale and think it was one of the best series finales I've seen. (#1 is Six Feet Under's, and probably will be for a long time.) But I decided to read the comics because I'm really curious about The Wolf, The Ram and The Hart's intentions.

    Wasley's death was one of the saddest things on tv. Only to think about it brings a lump to my trhoat. And the was he accepts Illyria's lying to him reminds me of that great Buffy line:

    “Yes. It's terribly simple. The good guys are always stalwart and true. The bad guys are easily distinguished by their pointy horns or black hats, and, uh, we always defeat them and save the day. No one ever dies and... everybody lives happily ever after.”


    PS: word verification code for this post: dying (!!!)

  5. It's funny. When I originally watched this episode, I felt more like Ben, Jess, and Gus about it. Rewatching it a few days ago, I felt more like Billie. Now that I've digested it, I feel like Ben, Jess, and Gus again.

    One thing: while I agree with Ben that we can decide for ourselves whether or not the LA Scoobies survive, I don't think it matters. The message of this finale, for me, is that heroes fight for good until the end and they never win the war. That's why Angel had to sign away the prophecy. As a result, it doesn't matter if they survive this particular battle because they'll just die in the next or the one after that. It's very grim but equally romantic.

    Speaking of romantic, my favourite bit isn't Wesley asking Illyria to lie for him, but Illyria continuing to cry for him as Fred long after he'd already passed. Is the lie the illusion of Fred caring for him or Illyria taking a false shape to express sentiments that she would never allow herself as a goddess?

    Another thing I hadn't caught the first time around is Illyria's intense jealousy. I love how she reacted to the mere mention of Wes having a "Mistress Spanksalot". They make a cute couple, cuter than Wes with Fred, whom he'd idealized for too long for me to get behind the relationship anymore.

    Lindsey's death really pissed me off. I don't think Angel had any right to rob him of his chance at redemption, and it did leave a sour note, seeing Angel's second to last act in the series to be so unequivocally wrong.

    Overall, I didn't like S5 now as much as I had remembered. A lot of dud episodes mixed in with the very good, and too much Buffy without Buffy. Also, two capital sins: no Lilah or electro girl? Come on!

    Still, I wish they'd gone on one more season or so to see all the new dynamics get proper treatment: Wes + Illyria, Gunn as a newly uncorruptible lawyer, etc. We didn't get enough Gunn. Why does the man always get the shaft?

  6. Well then.
    First off Billie, I want to say a massive thankyou! Since a brilliant amazon deal back in January enabled me to buy the Buffy boxset, I've spent the past 8 months rewatching all of Buffy and Angel, reading your reviews as I went. Thankyou for you informative and enjoyable views on the episodes! They added to the re-watch experience and I enjoyed reading what you thought as I went.
    As for this episode, I agree with you Billie. I've watched this season a lot, and the ending always pisses me off. My favourite show of all time... and it doesn't even have a proper end. I mean the Shanshu Prophecy not getting resolved is probably the biggest problem. Pretty much everything Angel does is about that prophecy! In season one, we see how much he misses his humanity, and at the start of 2 he's really working for his reward. Then, the ressurection of Darla makes him question if he'll ever be able to eradicate evil, and he gives up on the prophecy altogether by sleeping with Darla. Everything that happens with Connor obviously doesn't help. In season 3, we at first see Angel doing good at this point because he can, and not for a reward, and then we see him wanting to do good for Connor. Then season 4 happens... where Angel looses his son and his lover in one fell swoop. By the time season 5 rolls around, he's lost all faith in his reward, yet still feels threatened by Spike.
    See what I mean? It needed resolving. The fact that it wasn't just feels like a cheat to me.
    I do love this episode, don't get me wrong. It does great justice to all the characters... well except for one thing. I agree completely about Lindsey. He could well have been on the path to redemption. In fact I never really saw him as a bad guy. There were always shades of grey with him, more so than Lilah anyway. It seemed very out of character for Angel to kill him, especially using Lorne to do it. Poor Lorne! I suppose you could argue that Angel does at this point believe he's going to his death, and does not want Lindsey to be around to hurt anyone else.
    But yeah. The Buffyverse. A classic that will never be forgotten, and so much fun to re-watch even 10 years on!

  7. What a terrific comment, Ben. Thanks so much. Coincidentally, I'm in the middle of a Buffy/Angel rewatch, myself -- I'm in the middle of season six Buffy, season three Angel. I agree -- they're classics.

  8. Angel and spike by the end of the series go through massive changes that culminate in them being heroes/champions. A large part of which is to keep fighting and selflessness.. Accepting the shanshu would Mean they fought for selfish reasons and negate their whole purpose. The whoie point is that they were no longer fighting for redemption. Or for buffy, or for a cup, or for the shanshu. They where fighting because it was the right thing to do. To keep on fighting evil. That's as selfless and heroic as one can get Also the ending reminds me of the buffy season 5 ending. The same journey that buffy went on to find out what it truly meant to be a slayer, is evident here in angel and spikes journey this season to
    Finding out what it meant to be a champion. For example if the plot line from 'destiny was used here' do u think they would have done to each other what they did in that episode?
    Watch the episodes reprise and epiphany again and tell me this wasn't the perfect ending.
    Screw the wb angel season 6 had the potential to go down as the greatest season in tv history. The fall out from this year,possibly bringing back faith,gwen,nina,drusilla, scoobies. Arghhh the potential was limitless .

    I do like the angel comics a lot more than the buffy ones. Angel after the dark is actually pretty epic considering. Imagine that translated to screen.

    1. Great assessment of their fight now not for gain of any prophesies promises transforming them to law abiding mortals instead of evil merciless vampires that spike and angel was in their past.
      They was total monsters..
      But we seen them both in the angel series at its end as true champions for good under potential pain of death and the odds stacked against them as mortal team angel also and illyria who we never got to see how powerful she realy was.
      And she also fought for good alongside team angel by ashley's slowly educating her on the morals of the mortal world she now occupied and she was another bad ass wicked evil heartless god like being in ancient times. All trying to rid this evil group off the planet by taking on the black thorn society by assassinating them singly this group who were totaly powerful and untouchable as a unit together.
      And they pulled it off....
      They wiped them all off the face of the earth..
      How good was that to watch... it was epic...
      Then we seen them meet up in the alley without ashley not making it through which was sad and they was all then stil ready to fight the army from hell coming at them for revenge...
      I thought it was a blockbuster of a finale..

  9. So I know we're ages and ages and ages away from getting here in our rewatch, but on the way home from Much Ado about Nothing, I was trying to explain the Fred/Wesley relationship to my mom. How they were never into each other and available at the same time, how they finally got together only to have Fred die IN THE NEXT FREAKING EPISODE. (Honestly, Joss wonders where he got this reputation for killing characters and breaking hearts? Really?) How Fred was killed by a demon thing that could take on her appearance. And I was talking about this episode and I said that Wesley asked Illyria to "lie to him" so he could die in Fred's arms and I seriously lost it. I honestly can't remember the last time I cried that hard. My poor mother (who doesn't like Buffy or Angel, because I think she's missing part of her brain or something) was just staring at me like I was insane.

  10. I always took "Not Fade Away" as the song title. Song originally by Buddy Holly, covered by the Grateful Dead, the Rolling Stones, and many others. For the Dead, it was a frequent concert staple, with the repeating line "You know our love will not fade away" or "Love is love and not fade away". David Boreanaz is a Deadhead, and Joss Whedon at least somewhat a fan. Joss even used a line from the Dead's iconic "Dark Star": Lorne's use of the phrase "transitive nightfall of diamonds" in Season 4 (Spin the Bottle?)
    Being a deadhead myself, Not Fade Away could only mean one thing.

  11. Watching this when it aired, when the screen went black, I was all "WHAT?!?! That's IT? How can it end that way?" But with time, I have come to appreciate it as the perfect ending for this show, the embodiment of the show's theme, that even though you can never really win, you keep fighting. Period. Angel could not have had a more perfect ending, and that's one reason I choose to ignore the existence of the comics. Whether they survive isn't the point, the point is that they never stop fighting. (Then again, on some days, I think Angel was a real idiot, and basically brought on apocalypse himself just to make some kind of point and look all doomed heroic, etc. Good move, Angelcakes!)

    This is such a perfect finale, from the character beats of all the final days to the fast cut to black at the end. Love this finale.

  12. a p.s. on Boreanaz as a Deadhead:
    In one of the DVD extras, David is wearing a shirt with the Mountain Dew logo, but it says Morning Dew. No doubt picked up from a parking lot vendor at a Dead show. Morning Dew was another Dead cover (by Bonnie Dobson), in the rotation until the end, as was NFA, though not performed as many times. Thematically, that song title would also work for the finale, as the song takes place after a (nuclear) apocalypse. But I think Not Fade Away works better as the finale title, as the title alone conveys something without any knowledge of the song.
    Okay, that's enough deadhead pedantry.

  13. Thanks, Anonymous Deadhead expert. I didn't know any of this. :)

  14. While I enjoyed the last episode, I too hated Lindsey's death.

    In fact, Lindsey's story arc in season 5 was a tremendous disappointment to me. As far as I can tell, the whole elaborate scheme with Spike was just a ploy to kill Angel, and Eve was only in it because of her love for Lindsey...and we never saw enough of them together for that to really feel like enough motivation to cross the senior partners. Then after the lengths they went to retrieve Lindsey, he didn't end up providing much information. It would have been so much more interesting to have Lindsey and Eve playing a deeper, high-stakes game for some faction of uncertain motivation, or even being unwitting tools of the Powers that Be.

    And it was a rotten way for Lorn to go out, too. In fact, he wasn't much in evidence in Season 5, other than the delicious Life of the Party.

    Illyria was the highlight of the episode; her growing attachment to Wesley and understanding of humanity was perfectly paced through the final episodes. It reminded me pleasantly of Anya's reaction to Joyce's death in The Body.

  15. This rewatch following these reviews has been my favorite yet, thank you so much for having these available, truly.
    When Buffy/Angel aired, I was too young to be watching it. I discovered the shows on netflix the summer before college. For someone in my age group, getting to read someone's reviews as the show was actually aring, is really special!

    I loved this episode the first time I saw it, and I have always thought it was an amazing series finale. But I've also always viewed it as what it was, them doing the best they could with the situation. Unfortunately the show was canceled, they didn't get a whole 'final season' thing. I think that even though this was a rather grim cliff hanger, if they had tried to force resolutions for everyone in an inorganic time frame it would have been a much weaker episode. They knew not to try and pull a fast one on us!

  16. I believe the shanshu was fulfilled, in that Connor living was angel's redemption.

  17. Just finished my re-watch, and I love this ending. It's perfect for me.

    But I get it, the dividing thoughts about what happened and that some things felt rushed is true. And it's understandable considering what the producers/writers had to work with. They got cancelled around ep 14 so they had to wrap things up quickly.

    What I understand is that the plan for season 6 would have included Willow making Ilyria more human or Fred-like, Oz would have been called in to help Nina, the whole Ilyria/Black Thorn arc would have been much longer etc.

    I think they did a great job considering the abrupt cancellation. Especially the episode 'Origin' when they wrapped up the Connor story neatly. That must have been done in a panic mode, instead of a more intended fleshed out storyline.

    Overall, I think this was a fantastic conclusion to the fantastic Buffyverse.

  18. Ok I finished Angel last night and I am still SO PISSED at the WB for canceling this show! Season 6 would have been AMAZING and they could have spent more time on the Black Thorn thing (which they introduced/resolved WAY too fast) and Illyria and Wesley.

    It's such a shame that they couldn't get SMG to come back for Angel season 5. I needed more closure on the Spike and Buffy relationship!

    Also we never found out who the senior partners were (maybe we did and I missed it)? I felt horrible for Lorne who had to kill Lindsey in cold blood- I still don't really get why Angel made him do that. Lindsey's motives were always unclear but he was the one that left Wolfram & Hart originally and it seemed like he was on his way to redemption. Sigh. Now to start my first Buffy rewatch!

  19. Peepee Demon's little "ih!" when Angel jabs him with the spiked ring, lol. Such a fascinating creature. RIP

    The first time through, I had a mental block about Angel signing away the prophecy. I just assumed it couldn't actually be done and The Circle were just testing his commitment. There was already the killing of Drogyn as adequate (IMO) proof that he did something unforgivable. Like, damn, how many series protagonists have you seen committing the worst crime they've ever committed (with their soul) at the END? Actually, that's not even the worst. I think, even taking into account the incident where he backed off from saving the human lawyers from Dru and Dar-dar (sorry), the most brutal thing he's ever done is kill Lindsey, using poor Lorne as his proxy. A flunky?! He's not just... Angel kills him... you... Angel... But seriously, not only did he fuck Lindsey, he fucked Lorne. An empath demon's gonna carry that weight. Cold, man. That Angel dude? He's just cold.

    I felt so empty after the first time, it's definitely a finale I could only appreciate after digesting and in hindsight. But yes, it really is one of the best series finales of all time. So many shows still struggle to stick the landing and they did it here despite the rushing and PLOT. I feel something every time they're all departing for their assassinations (Wesley silently giving him a little nod <3) and you get just Spike and Angel with the former saying he's fine with Shanshu being closed off as long as Angel never gets it either. The quick shot of the sky after that was really evocative before it cut to Cyrus enjoying his meal. I loved Buffy's Chosen for a lot of reasons but it never quite gave me that feel, of things palpably drawing to a close. Which is also to its credit as it makes the show easier to rewatch immediately but sometimes I like a sad... void-y, incoming grief-y feeling. If only for at least one beloved show, and Angel was always the best fit out of all the shows I've watched for a gothic END ending.

    Lindsey's death was spoiled for me so I spent a lot of time building up preparation for him to be the one to redeem himself and die for it. It hurt so much to see how it actually went down. I definitely didn't see it coming, even with Lorne's words. The most shameful thing as a Lindsey fan is to admit that I approve of the direction they went with, unlike youse. It's just so impressively ruthless of Angel, I'm sorry. Dark, harsh, cruel but impressively ruthless. Angel wasn't going to be around to keep him in check, and he felt responsible for the man. He should've done it himself though, for real! Like he did with Drogyn. Goddamn... what a lonely and sorry way to go. I assume Eve died there with him... Lindsey might've been working her as his in but I think she loved him. She didn't leave the collapsing building.

    Nothing to say about Wes's end, because there's nothing to say about perfection. I wish to do more violence... "Well, wishes just happen to be horses today."

    The alley... best place to end it. I'll just always be in awe of what they plucked out of fevered brow having to rush everything. Maybe it wouldn't've been as good without that Last Minute Panic but ultimately I don't care, I would've still chosen a season 6 if given the chance :( More better, more better, more BETTER

  20. **HANNIBAL SERIES ENDING SPOILERS** Angel and Connor VS Hamilton wasn't especially good since it's just Angel being tossed around a lot (although I appreciated the poignancy of the destruction to the set), but because I'm seeing this after Hannibal which featured a similar trio ending fight that made me cry it was more moving than it deserved to be. There's even Angel biting into Hamilton's neck and I wish Connor had him pinned down or something while he did it. I was imagining my own version of the fight... Angel laying his head on Connor's chest :') He didn't outlive his son, which is always something for a parent to be grateful about.

    Like one of the Anons mentioned I like the idea that the Shanshu prophecy referred to Connor, so it's already been fulfilled, Angel was never gonna become human himself, so it still served a different benevolent purpose by ending up being a useful tool to fool The Circle into letting him in. It feels like something the PTB maybe cooked up knowing Angel would always die in battle. And even knowing now that he really did sign it away, I never really gave a shit about Angel's future as a human to be honest... it served its purpose at the end of s1 in giving Angel and the show a destination, you could feel the boost it gave the narrative from that moment on. Just as it gave Spike relevance to show up in the last season. I can't defend it but it all fits perfectly for me that Angel would sacrifice it and live in the now. It should feel at odds with the lesson Angel learned in s2's Epiphany where he understood to focus on the micro VS the macro, case-by-case victories instead of the discouraging sight of Wolfram & Hart being perpetually undaunted, but... it doesn't. The regression and the mistakes all worked for me, it was an understandable mistake to think instead of defeating Wolfram & Hart they could grey out their black by joining. You can forgive your Angel crew for overreaching there, can't you? They did pay for it.

    Thanks for preserving your original takes on the episodes as they aired. Your Not Fade Away review in particular is easy to protest when I forget how ambivalent my original feelings were about the ending. And I did kind of forget, so I'm glad I got to remind myself of it proper and chastise myself with my original erased line immediately proclaiming ANGEL DID NOTHING WRONG.
    Thanks for covering this series and Buffy. I mean I know the internet is brimming with Buffy episodic reviews long after Television Without Pity (which I never liked) but they all really get knee-deep into the themes in a way I find uninteresting and frankly kind of insane. It's weird praise but I like the way you think and express yourself, your reviews have been a nice Friend Simulator since I don't really like watching non-TurnYourBrainOffAndSoakItIn TV with my talkative suitemates but still want that small sense of companionship after the fact.
    Thanks for providing. It's been a hell of a toboggan ride. I can't think of another multi-season TV show where I consider its final season to be its best. Maybe Halt & Catch Fire, I'm not sure

  21. Onigirli, you're very welcome, happy you came by and shared your thoughts about both shows. I've written over three thousand reviews now, but the ones I wrote about Buffy and Angel were my first, and are still special to me.

  22. Onigirli, congratulations on completing your binge!

  23. Thankee Josie, but I'd call it a marathon over a binge even though they're both used interchangeably nowadays. It's just that my last watchthrough of the Buffyverse shows was a true binge, I'd take 3 days max per season and my subcon would produce the strangest related dreams in retaliation. This time I still felt like I blazed through it all too fast, but I did make a better effort to pace myself and savor it. Wish I bothered to keep track of how long it ended up taking!

  24. Twenty years, well, it will be next month, when Angel was cancelled. I remember being pissed but there were other legendary shows on the horizon, Lost, Supernatural, Heroes, Fringe, The Vampire Diaries, True Blood, The Originals, the DC Arrowverse TV shows, Marvel's Agents of Shield, Once Upon A Time, so Angel's cancellation didn't signal the end but a new beginning.

  25. Didn't anyone mention Anne's quote when Gunn questions her about what she would do if she knew none of it would mean anything? She simply responds: ''I'm going to load the next truck''. This is what sums up the entire series. Anne is one of ANGEL's most extraordinary characters and deserved to be a fixture on the program instead of Harmony, who lacks charisma and is graceless. How can you not love Illyria even though you know she killed Fred? About Fred and Wesley, the authors took so long to get them together that I ended up thinking they went beyond the point with them. They had a good ending.


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